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parrot jj以及其他consulting的牛人们,讲讲形势吧
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(引用 duck:看了原非的帖子,忽然觉得这个问题很重要,值得一提:Consultant 的下个职位是什么?这个问题我很早就想过,不过能力及经验有限,至今也�...)偶觉得做consultant的优势应该是自立门户是不是duck兄所说的做公司董事?[aspernet (9-7 9:20, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]41楼

(引用 aspernet:偶觉得做consultant的优势应该是自立门户是不是duck兄所说的做公司董事?)即可自立门户,也可指导别的公司发展[duck (9-7 10:07, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]42楼

(引用 duck:看了原非的帖子,忽然觉得这个问题很重要,值得一提:Consultant 的下个职位是什么?这个问题我很早就想过,不过能力及经验有限,至今也�...)所以还是要术业有专攻做consultant也是要集中在目一个行业或者专业上,随着年龄增大,给不同的公司不同的case提供过consulting,见多识广,被业内认可,才越混越香,别人回来主动挖你。我老板每次去给新客户作培训,总会有客户那边的老大问我老板愿意不愿意去他们那边做工~~其他的senior离开后好些都自立门户。[closercc (9-8 11:23, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]43楼

(引用 turquoise:BCG在nus有talk应该是下周或者下下周,我2周前收到invitation去参加talk你要那个email我forward给你 听说consulting firm很看成绩的,不�...)听说BCG的cut-off是first class好像是真的。。。
[闻影 (9-8 11:33, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]44楼

(引用 duck:看了原非的帖子,忽然觉得这个问题很重要,值得一提:Consultant 的下个职位是什么?这个问题我很早就想过,不过能力及经验有限,至今也�...)这是个很好的问题我已经困惑了很久,还是没有答案...

我看到的有去PE的,hedge fund, fund of fund, 银行里做strategy的,基本上还都是professional service,高强度高压力的职业。这种工作可以做到30岁,未必能坚持到40岁。什么是最好的exit strategy? Join client去做general management的不是没有,但都是比较senior level的人。像我们这样毕业没几年的很难去client找一个很体面的职位。就算在外面混到40岁再去corporate, 作为不是从基层做起的"空降兵", 在公司中缺少人脉,要坐稳比较难,要大刀阔斧做点consultant专门做的事情很大阻力。

其实一个常见的误解是做management consulting会知识面很广。其实在firm里面是很实际的,每个project都会想找有industry background的人,所以很容易被反复地staff到相同行业的项目中。特别是当tenure长了以后,很少有项目愿意找一个又贵又不懂的人。一定要换行业不是不可以,但是要考虑后果。轻易地做一个自己不熟悉的领域,做砸了考评受影响就不能怪别人了。

自己出来创业也可以,但是要搞清楚,自己的start-up和以前的client有本质的区别。面对的risk和需要的skill set都不一样。生搬硬套只能死得更快更惨。反正so far 我只看到过一个以前的老板出去创业的,据说很不顺利,第一个business已经死了,第二个还在折腾中。

给所有想做management consultant的同学们一个建议,想清楚你要什么,愿意付出多少代价,有没有更好的选择。
[ning82 (9-8 14:12, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]45楼

(引用 ning82:这是个很好的问题我已经困惑了很久,还是没有答案... 我看到的有去PE的,hedge fund, fund of fund, 银行里做strategy的,基本上还都是p...)very insightfulIndeed, the answer to "Where to Go" very much depends on one's level of experience. As in many other industries, senior people usually have more and better choices since they have already proven themselves. (Of course whether they can succeed is another matter, but we do see good examples to follow - 51Jobs as a start-up, or Sun as an incumbent) Just one thing -- for life style, I'm not sure about the point that general management has a better work/life balance comparing to these professional service roles. After all, general management is also about providing professional service to the owners of the company. More over, while consultants can settle with big strategy blueprints, the tougher part of execution is shouldered by the client company's management. Presumably the job is tougher, the stake is bigger, and the pressure is higher.

Sure enough, the question of "What to do after partner" is far-fetched to the most. The more immediate question is what is a good exit for a less experienced consultant.

Financial industry is a sound choice since

1. There are many exsiting skills to leverage on;
2. It pays well;
3. There may be plenty of opportunities in China/Asia looking forward.

As for the dreadful part of life style, everywhere is the same -- in fact, if you enter at associate level, the stress level may even be less. (Again, presumably, with some anecdotes)

Industry is a completely different animal .. I fully agree that a relatively junior consultant should expect to start from scratch upon moving to her/his industry of interest, instead of expecting something more glamorous. For example, Google Singapore recruits Analystics analyst and asscoiate marketing managers former former consultants and investment bankers (maybe because it's Google!). There is no way to move up if one can't prove him/herself in these more or less entry-level or junior management roles. That said, I do believe that the skills developed in consulting can be very helpful in one's way ahead.

Of course, there are quite a few more relevant roles an x-consultant can fit into a corporate, such as corporate planning, internal strategy, business development, corporate development (M&A) etc, with considerable overleap with consulting in terms of job scope. Also there are management trainee roles (serious ones, i mean) for consultant + MBA, which may help to bridge the gap between strategy and operation.

So my point is, for an x-consultant, it looks like a humbler option to go industry instead of consulting or banking. However, if one's really aspired to get hands-on, there are plenty of options. The good thing is, regardless of which option to take, analytical and presentation skills are always helpful.
[EchoStar (9-9 1:28, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]46楼

(引用 EchoStar:very insightfulIndeed, the answer to "Where to Go" very much depends on one's level of experience. As in many other industries, ...)My sincere invitation for you to beome one of the speakers on Sep 20 :)Please do come and do not worry about other things, thanks! [parrot (9-9 10:16, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]47楼

(引用 闻影:听说BCG的cut-off是first class好像是真的。。。 )这个太极端了,要从first class里面至少一半书呆子吧不过也许他们本来就不缺人[年糕 (9-9 15:28, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]48楼

(引用 ning82:这是个很好的问题我已经困惑了很久,还是没有答案... 我看到的有去PE的,hedge fund, fund of fund, 银行里做strategy的,基本上还都是p...)同意我是做M&A的,跟consulting不一样,但也会跟不同的行业打交道,公司当然会根据你的经验分配项目,而且这在给客户的pitchbook里面就都已经写清楚了,所以就就会一直重复同一个行业。所以非常同意ning兄的说法。

不过我们是侧重于structuring and financing,所以具体的operation/stragety都是外包给focus在那个行业的咨询公司。
[DINGPeng (9-15 14:05, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]49楼

(引用 DINGPeng:同意我是做M&A的,跟consulting不一样,但也会跟不同的行业打交道,公司当然会根据你的经验分配项目,而且这在给客户的pitchbook里面就都...)本家,握手![ning82 (9-15 15:29, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]50楼

(引用 年糕:这个太极端了,要从first class里面至少一半书呆子吧不过也许他们本来就不缺人)不至于吧。。。在国内bcg也是只要清华北大的啊。。。[倏然梦 (9-15 17:45, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]51楼

(引用 ning82:多两句嘴M记好像从来不做campus recruitment talk的吧? 我们那个时候得protocol是这个样子的: 1. 先random发邀请信,叫人家send CV 2. ...)如果没有收到random的邀请信,怎么办呢?这个第一步的random invitation也要有原则吧?如果没有被random到,应该怎么办呢?[倏然梦 (9-15 17:49, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]52楼

(引用 柳随风:so S....there is a workshop in office today though. :))。。。那岂不是说我又被random的bs了一次?...发帖时间?[倏然梦 (9-16 11:34, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]53楼

(引用 ning82:嗯现在是招人的时候么? M的recruitment talk 一般都不在campus的,发邀请都比较random)可是random也总得有点线索吧比如怎么得到这些candidate的email address(or say,怎么把自己的emial加进这个database里?)在database里的query条件是?难道真的是完全随机的???不合理啊。。。想不通。。。[倏然梦 (9-16 11:37, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]54楼

(引用 年糕:这个太极端了,要从first class里面至少一半书呆子吧不过也许他们本来就不缺人)First class 为啥书呆子啊。。。会考试的人一般都不呆:p[parrot (9-16 12:35, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]55楼

补充没想到这个帖子搞法搞法搞到那么长,偷懒跟主贴补充几点:

1.对于consulting的看法

不少人问我为什么对consulting有那么悲观的情绪,某M记的师兄扬言以后M记招不到好员工都是我的错(搞到我做恶梦GCO某大趴拿把刀砍我)。其实应该这么说,consulting 有好的地方,也有不好的地方。我只不过觉得很多同学有点盲目的一窝蜂,希望cool down 一下这种heat,提醒一下不好的地方。好的地方反正大家都知道了,多说也是废话。

2.关于下面所说的发invitation的randomness

我检讨,我的说法有点不负责任。我不知道M记发invitation是不是有什么规则,至少我看了这些年没看出来。以前有说法是HR问学校要dean's list,然后照着发。我不确定,因为我看到过counter example. 但是一个tip是,要眼观六路,耳听八方,如果你的朋友收到了invitation,并且及时地告诉了你,那么你可以跟着发CV,不会区别对待的。我的朋友就是这样进M记的。
[ning82 (9-16 14:44, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]56楼

(引用 ning82:补充没想到这个帖子搞法搞法搞到那么长,偷懒跟主贴补充几点: 1.对于consulting的看法 不少人问我为什么对consulting有那么悲观的情绪...)谢谢jj!可是如果就没有认识受到invitation的人,直接上网网申,也会一视同仁吗?因为本科不再这里,by research的master人又少,根本不怎么认识人。。。
[倏然梦 (9-16 22:15, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]57楼

(引用 倏然梦:谢谢jj!可是如果就没有认识受到invitation的人,直接上网网申,也会一视同仁吗?因为本科不再这里,by research的master人又少,根本不�...)留个e-mail吧let's take this offline.[ning82 (9-16 23:53, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]58楼

(引用 ning82:留个e-mail吧let's take this offline.)发站短了,多谢!!![倏然梦 (9-17 13:18, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]59楼


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