新加坡2009年(第二季)全国象棋锦标赛章程和报名表(总贴)
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作者:kurubear (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:740) 发表:2009-12-14 13:03:18  141楼
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Found the post, TY. They using 9 + 2 system, 80 min , bonus 30s , USD6k (NM)
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作者:kurubear (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:740) 发表:2009-12-14 13:07:04  142楼
Which online CHIchess website you play at? or where in Singapore? (NM)
Hope to have chance to learn from 特级大师洪安豪 (NM)
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作者:peanut (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:197) 发表:2009-12-14 13:08:15  143楼
5 Ways to stop Minghao from winning......1) Buy him a drink doped with laxative and sleeping pills just before the game. 2) Find a dirty and dark chessboard as well as chess pieces, hoping that he wont be able to see clearly. 3) Keep chanting in front of him during the game that he wont be able to see any moves. 4) Sleep well the night before the competition, maybe you can win minghao in your dream. 5) Pray to Gods , be it Monkey god, elephant gods, horse gods, car gods, whatever your belief is, for divine help. Anyway, just joking. =P May the best person win this friday.
I have one way to stop Liao Ming Hao.
Play better than him on that day!
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作者:xiaobeidou (等级:5 - 略有小成,发帖:321) 发表:2009-12-14 13:19:54  144楼
新加坡最具潜力的棋手,应该是洪安豪,但不小心入了邪道而无法发挥最高实力!
不是。最高应该是假扮特级大师洪安豪的人黄荣岳:P
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作者:kurubear (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:740) 发表:2009-12-14 13:21:59  145楼
卷心菜兄文才出众,棋力超群,是本地棋坛一位不可多得的人才!这次他再度以高名次荣升八强,但因个人理由而退出比赛,实属可惜。 广大棋迷未能在来临的周末再度欣赏他精湛的棋艺,实属遗憾。
What does the rule say about ...
replacement for a confirmed walkover for the important Top8 matches?

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作者:kurubear (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:740) 发表:2009-12-14 13:27:37  146楼
So far, 3 to be promoted and 2 to 3 more to be decided on 18 Dec ..... From the Pairings of Top 8s 3 to be promoted, namely 廖铭濠 卷心菜 and 胡伟良 another 2 to 3 more from ZJS HanTing 歌神 林家勇 and the lady 陈茗芳.
How come the pairing is based on rankings not reshuffled from new numbering? (NM
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作者:xiaobeidou (等级:5 - 略有小成,发帖:321) 发表:2009-12-14 13:50:14  147楼
个人赛的水平A组个人赛的水平,并不见得因为乙级人数增加而下降。A组参赛人数近来维持在30人左右,其中不乏宿将和新秀。水平有所下降,主要是因为棋手的时间精力,不足以应付日趋紧张的限时制度。反过来说,乙级人数的快速增加,加快抽空B组好手的速度,倒是可能造成B组的水平下降。象总增办二季B组赛,或许是为了增加A组的参赛人数,但新增的乙级,是否都有在A组挑战甲级的勇气,仍属未知。如何鼓励他们参赛,不明显减低A组水平而获取整体水平的提高,就要看象总在赛制和奖励方法上的创意了。
我理解你的意思。
我的意思是整体水平下降。如果说从B组升了太多亿级。这个比赛就是个亿级棋手多的比赛所以 Technically speaking, 水平会下降。当然还有其他的因素像事业和家庭的理由不允许甲组棋手参加。但你的看法我也同意。

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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2009-12-14 13:58:43  148楼
Found the post, TY. They using 9 + 2 system, 80 min , bonus 30s , USD6k (NM)
9 + 2 system for Top 4 and 9 +1 system for next 8.
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作者:kurubear (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:740) 发表:2009-12-14 14:01:35  149楼
9 + 2 system for Top 4 and 9 +1 system for next 8.
Noted (NM)
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作者:碧山 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:1430) 发表:2009-12-14 15:02:15  150楼
How come the pairing is based on rankings not reshuffled from new numbering? (NM
淘汰赛这种赛制有时会同循环赛制相结合,。。。。。。。

淘汰赛这种赛制有时会同循环赛制相结合,只是在八分之一或四分之一的晋级赛时采用。。。。。


淘汰赛是指体育比赛和其它各种比赛中的一种赛制,在这种赛制中赛员两两相对,输一场即淘汰出局。每一轮淘汰掉一半选手,直至产生最后的冠军。在单淘汰赛制中赛会组委会事先会将全部选手按预赛名次或种子顺序进行编排,也支持部分种子选手直接从中间某轮开始参加比赛的安排(即轮空)。这种赛制简洁明了,对选手数几乎可以不加限制。缺点是偶然性较大。这种赛制有时会同循环赛制相结合,只是在八分之一或四分之一的晋级赛时采用该赛制,如每四年一届的足球世界杯就是采用这种方法。

May be good to do search and learn the various systems if you wish to have more complete picture.

e.g. for Bishan Internal Competition

2003 -- 12 players (Round Robin System) -- 11 rounds
2005 -- 16 players (Round Robin System) -- 15 rounds
2006 -- 24 (Round Robin System by standards) -- 3 groups of 8,8,8. 11 rounds in Phases 1 & 2
2007 -- 20 (Round Robin System by standards)-- 4 groups of 4,6,6,4. 8 rounds in Phases 1 & 2
2008 -- 23 (Round Robin System by standards)-- 4 groups of 6,6,5,6. 8 rounds in Phases 1 & 2
2009 -- 25 (Round Robin System by standards)-- 5 groups of 6,4,5,4,6. 8 rounds in Phases 1 & 2

we are using 分级循环赛制 since 2006 so as to reduce the number of rounds when we have more players and not able to use Round Robin System, Furthermore, we prefer players to play with others about the same standards and not all the players in Round Robin System.

Bishan 分级循环赛制

11 rounds -- 7 rounds in Phase 1 and 4 rounds in Phase 2

8 rounds -- 5 rounds in Phase 1 and 3 rounds in Phase 2

in this Bishan 分级循环赛制, you do not face the same player twice, it is a two-level (Phases 1 & 2) 分级循环赛制.

In Phase 2, lower half of Upper groups to play with upper half of Lower groups, all need to play in Phase 2 except the two ends, this is the reason for us to have 6 players each at two ends in Phase 1 so that minimum of 5 rounds for the two ends if they do not need to play in Phase 2 after the reviews of yearly compettions.

Phase 3 is using 擂台赛 concept depending on the ranking results after Phase 2. We may have 分先 in two games if we need to have 擂台赛 for 2009 Bishan Internal Competition in Jan 2010.
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作者:吕大侠 (等级:4 - 马马虎虎,发帖:309) 发表:2009-12-14 15:09:00  151楼
非也最具潜力的,乃是陈靖媗。我看这么多比赛,几乎没听她说过话,可见专心。
陈靖媗的记忆力费比寻常!
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作者:吕大侠 (等级:4 - 马马虎虎,发帖:309) 发表:2009-12-14 15:20:14  152楼
个人赛的水平A组个人赛的水平,并不见得因为乙级人数增加而下降。A组参赛人数近来维持在30人左右,其中不乏宿将和新秀。水平有所下降,主要是因为棋手的时间精力,不足以应付日趋紧张的限时制度。反过来说,乙级人数的快速增加,加快抽空B组好手的速度,倒是可能造成B组的水平下降。象总增办二季B组赛,或许是为了增加A组的参赛人数,但新增的乙级,是否都有在A组挑战甲级的勇气,仍属未知。如何鼓励他们参赛,不明显减低A组水平而获取整体水平的提高,就要看象总在赛制和奖励方法上的创意了。
说到赛制,我觉得7+2 太少,应该9+2 或11 轮round robin.
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作者:kurubear (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:740) 发表:2009-12-14 15:29:06  153楼
说到赛制,我觉得7+2 太少,应该9+2 或11 轮round robin.
1 issue with better longer rounds is that more people may no make it all rd (NM)
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作者:kurubear (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:740) 发表:2009-12-14 15:37:00  154楼
Who know the format used in other countries's CHIchess Open (xclude China) ? (NM
What the minimum time needed per player for a good game with bonus 30s/move (NM)
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作者:风云剑 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:111) 发表:2009-12-14 16:18:57  155楼
我预测冠军 是 巫汉梃!
巫汉梃深厚的中残功力,其大刀阔斧的棋风不容小觑!
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作者:吕大侠 (等级:4 - 马马虎虎,发帖:309) 发表:2009-12-14 16:23:35  156楼
1 issue with better longer rounds is that more people may no make it all rd (NM)
only additional 2 rds, is it really that difficult? where's the commitment ?
if anyone is willing to take part, there shld be a considerable amt of commitment involve, unless the player is not committed, then don't take part.
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作者:卷心菜 (等级:17 - 华新水桶,发帖:11914) 发表:2009-12-14 17:15:42  157楼
only additional 2 rds, is it really that difficult? where's the commitment ?if anyone is willing to take part, there shld be a considerable amt of commitment involve, unless the player is not committed, then don't take part.
这个问题很复杂,时代在发展,11轮已经不适应现代生活节奏。
过去,一盘棋要下两整天(日本国内围棋至今仍采用这种方式)。
现代,一盘棋每方也就一个多小时。

过去,每个人也就跟周围的几十个人接触。
现代,每个人都有几百上千人的庞大网络。(MNC companies, facebook, linked-in等)

过去,碧山的房子也就几万块钱,5年的工资即可买一套房子。
现在,碧山的房子六十万,20年的工资才可买到一套房子。


所以,现在早上一睁眼起来,第一件事想的不是昨天那盘棋下的好在哪里,不好在哪里,而是想着这个月要还2000块的月贷款,每天要还100块,想的是到哪里去挣出这个钱。


时代在发展,必须适应现代生活节奏。
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作者:特级大师洪安豪 (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:33) 发表:2009-12-14 17:42:00  158楼
不是。最高应该是假扮特级大师洪安豪的人黄荣岳:P
我们现在说的是潜力,不是高不高。。。笨!
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作者:kurubear (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:740) 发表:2009-12-14 18:02:05  159楼
only additional 2 rds, is it really that difficult? where's the commitment ?if anyone is willing to take part, there shld be a considerable amt of commitment involve, unless the player is not committed, then don't take part.
Anyone know what is the format used by Singapore INTchess Open?....
Are they doing well to engage young blood?


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作者:kurubear (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:740) 发表:2009-12-14 18:12:56  160楼
这个问题很复杂,时代在发展,11轮已经不适应现代生活节奏。过去,一盘棋要下两整天(日本国内围棋至今仍采用这种方式)。 现代,一盘棋每方也就一个多小时。 过去,每个人也就跟周围的几十个人接触。 现代,每个人都有几百上千人的庞大网络。(MNC companies, facebook, linked-in等) 过去,碧山的房子也就几万块钱,5年的工资即可买一套房子。 现在,碧山的房子六十万,20年的工资才可买到一套房子。 所以,现在早上一睁眼起来,第一件事想的不是昨天那盘棋下的好在哪里,不好在哪里,而是想着这个月要还2000块的月贷款,每天要还100块,想的是到哪里去挣出这个钱。 时代在发展,必须适应现代生活节奏。
At the same time....
The older veterans don't have the great facilities and support (manpower/ knowledge base -opening/mid-game etc) that we have, but their passion keep them going. Their games have to be based on real mid-game skills because few how to play a proper opening.

The next generation (currently 5-12 years old) faced many distractions by the time they are ready for CHIchess training. My mentor says that if one day we need to be like Shanghai Team (enlist the help of veterans Hu Ronghua) in Singapore, then it is a sad day here. He say based on experience by soccer teams here and overseas, if we cannot get new blood then the sports will decline. If this continue, very late-starters in Europe will easily overtake us in the near future. At the same time, CHIchess also faced issues faced by physical sports faced in Sinagpore i.e. time, study, work, pressure etc

Possibly those in the loop have already have plans to handle these concerns. It will be assuring if they can release some info to keep those who still have passion for the sports going.


---kurubear
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