(引用 棋一生:章程略有修改，请有意参赛的棋手们仔细阅读！1 棋赛宗旨：促进象棋活动；提高棋艺水平。 2 主办机构：新加坡象棋总会。 3 比赛日期：2009...)棋一生 well say [waterchess (6-18 2:32, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]141楼
(引用 棋一生:别太敏感，现金变礼券棋手指的不是你的团体！ 现金变礼券的还有其他的团体。你曾经跟棋友们解释过，他们明白你的苦衷。)象总理事诸公如何面对棋友 ?
Since you mentioned this is nothing to do with Bishan, I just drop it.
Regarding my suggestion, my main concern initially is more on “try not to cancel Group A due to not enough players” as same set of staff are working on all three groups of competitions, to reduce the amounts for the prizes could be one of the alternatives, of course, the organizer need to check with the 9 players if they still wish to join the competition with reduced prizes, this is a common practice for those who have experiences in handling competitions and nothing to do with “象总理事诸公如何面对棋友”.
As 象总理事 will be having the usual monthly meeting tonight, we will wait for the latest updates on Group A, e.g. 7-Round or 9-Round.
By the way, I plan to register on 21 Jun if I am free to participate in all rounds except one, currently I am not free on 27 Jun (school 70th Anniversary Celebration) and 11 July (Bishan 7th Anniversary Celebration) after 5 pm, i.e. I can join if it is 7-round but not 9-round.
Furthermore, this could be my last time and 10th time in National Open, during 1998 to 2009 except 2003 and 2006, before moving out of Bishan by Dec 2009. At this moment, I have no plan to join in the next few years due to other personal arrangements.
[碧山 (6-18 9:39, Long long ago)]
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象总理事诸公，怎么会无颜见江东父老？ 相信棋友们都应该知道，目前的经济环境并不是很好，要寻找赞助商赞助象棋活动项目并不是一件容易的事。原本象总理事们都很担心、也以为今年全国赛A组的赛事，将因为经费的缺乏而胎死腹中，无法如期举办。结果却出人意表，在众理事们大家齐心合力，竭尽所能，艰苦努力的情况下，终于众志成城，寻找到足够的赞助商，勉强凑足棋赛的经费，使全国赛A、B组的赛事，能够如期举行。
也许棋友们刚好在棋赛这段期间，因为个人工作、学业、身体状况或私人事务的繁忙，无法参赛，造成报名参加A组棋赛人数稀少与不足。面对这样的情况，象总不得不加以考虑是否要取消A组赛事的进行，因为A组棋赛的优胜者，将有机会代表国家出席参加在中国山东主办的世界杯象棋锦标赛、槟城主办的亚洲象棋个人赛及越南主办的奥林匹克室内运动会，如果参加A组棋赛的人数少还坚持要举办，恐怕会无法遴选出真正有实力的棋手。
基于维护国家与我国象棋的声誉，象总今晚经过开会讨论决定：如果至本周末报名截止日期为止，报名参加A组棋赛的人数如不足20人，A组的棋赛将予以取消。至于世界杯、亚洲个人赛与室内运动会的慢棋代表，象总将会另外举办一个选拔赛，从中遴选出适当的代表。至于有资格参加选拔赛的棋手，以过去5年内曾获得前6名的优胜者为标准。至于室内运动会的快棋代表，由今年丹戎巴葛举办的快棋赛优胜者获得。
如果A组的棋赛最后因参赛人数的不足而被迫取消，这种情形的发生并不是由于象总造成的，何来“象总理事诸公，无颜面对广大的棋友？”。作为一个领导人，如果能够随随便便就作出减低奖金数额的决定，被棋友们耻笑，那才是真正“丢人现眼，无颜面对广大的棋友啊！”。[棋一生 (6-19 2:18, Long long ago)]
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(引用 棋一生:象总理事诸公，怎么会无颜见江东父老？ 相信棋友们都应该知道，目前的经济环境并不是很好，要寻找赞助商赞助象棋活动项目并不是一件容易...)if I am using your way of thinking, could I say ........
The terms "象总理事诸公，怎么会无颜见江东父老？" "要象总理事诸公如何面对棋友" were used by you, please read the few related posts......
I am questioning the use of above such terms in your posts, I am replying with [nothing to do with “象总理事诸公如何面对棋友"].
Regarding "A组棋赛的优胜者，将有机会代表国家出席参加在中国山东主办的世界杯象棋锦标赛、槟城主办的亚洲象棋个人赛及越南主办的奥林匹克室内运动会", why not "A组棋赛的优胜者，将有机会出席国家代表选拔赛" ?
If "报名参加A组棋赛的人数如不足20人，A组的棋赛将予以取消", please do not tell me 7-round is for at least 20 players and 9-round is for at least say 30 players. If this is the case, I will go and register today and hope that there are at least 20 players as I am ok to 7-round this year.
From the rule below :
"12奖励办法：
（一）公开A组的优胜者，有机会代表新加坡参加今年的第11届世界象棋锦标赛，唯必须是新加坡公民或永久居民。"
change to the rule of 选拔赛,
if I am using your way of thinking, could I say
"随随便便就作出取消A组棋赛的决定，被棋友们耻笑，那才是真正“丢人现眼，无颜面对广大的棋友啊！”"
In fact, we should have a long term plan on 选拔赛 and some other methods related to the training and selection of National Players.
Last but not least, I have more concerns on the way you handle the suggestions to SIXGA, do you know there are ways to say "No" to suggestions but people still willing to suggest in future.
[碧山 (6-19 7:06, Long long ago)]
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(引用 碧山:todate close to 60, one more week to go .....
Group A -- 9 players.
Group B -- 47 players.
Ladies -- 2 players. )todate, 10 for Group A, more than 50 for Group B ......
two more days to go .....[碧山 (6-19 22:06, Long long ago)]
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(引用 棋一生:象总理事诸公，怎么会无颜见江东父老？ 相信棋友们都应该知道，目前的经济环境并不是很好，要寻找赞助商赞助象棋活动项目并不是一件容易...)by the way can yi ji go for the 选拔赛[waterchess (6-20 3:53, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]146楼
(引用 碧山:todate, 10 for Group A, more than 50 for Group B ......
two more days to go .....)For Group A, could we have at least 10 more from these two days .......
So far, the 10 below have registered ......
Grade As -- 朱永吉 洪天瑞 刘剑慧 倪福良
Grade Bs -- 曹子航 许永坤 刘再成 黄俊阳 郑木兴 洪泉发[碧山 (6-20 7:36, Long long ago)]
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(引用 waterchess:by the way can yi ji go for the 选拔赛)过去5年A组的前6名！2004年至2008年全国公开赛A组的前6名！[棋一生 (6-20 9:56, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]148楼
(引用 碧山:todate, 10 for Group A, more than 50 for Group B ......
two more days to go .....)todate, 14 for Group A, more than 55 for Group B ......
4 more for group A are 黄毅鸿 黄荣岳 黄俊铭 洪安豪.
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below list as of 19 Jun 2009 :
So far, the 10 below have registered ......
Grade As -- 朱永吉 洪天瑞 刘剑慧 倪福良
Grade Bs -- 曹子航 许永坤 刘再成 黄俊阳 郑木兴 洪泉发 [碧山 (6-20 22:10, Long long ago)]
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(引用 碧山:todate, 14 for Group A, more than 55 for Group B ......
4 more for group A are 黄毅鸿 黄荣岳 黄俊铭 洪安豪.
----------------...)Until yesterday, 1大师6甲级7乙级 ........
tonight not free to go to SIXGA to find out whether there are at least 20 players for Group A to proceed.
If it is on, with the same ratio of 50% of 乙级, then all 乙级 will have chances to play with either 大师 or 甲级 in Round 1.[碧山 (6-21 11:21, Long long ago)]
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Changing The Rules of The Games .....…….
Changing The Rules of The Games Between 2009 Group A and 2009 选拔赛 .....
In the first place, we do not have the rule to cancel 2009 Group A due to less than 20 players and to introduce 2009 选拔赛 instead, this is a serious matter.
Tonight is the closing date of registration for 2009 Singapore Xiangqi open, if it is too late to change any rule now, I hope that we can do better in future years.
Even if we have at least 20 players for this year Group A to proceed, I still wish to list down some of my observations here for considerations in future :
(1) To stop the 2009 Group A due to less than 20 players or to proceed with 2009 Group A with lower prizes, who are the most critical persons to be consulted ? Of course, should be the group of 14 or more players but not others. You are taking away the chance for this group of 14 to 19 players to represent Singapore or at least to join the 选拔赛. A better arrangement is to add on, say the Top 6 of last 5 years Group A and even say the 1st of last 5 years Group B to this 选拔赛, so we could have 2009 Group A cum 2009 选拔赛 in the same competition, for those who are not free to join 2009 Group A, they should be not free to join 选拔赛 too. As in the first place, 2009 Group A is the 2009 选拔赛 as stated in the rules, why to change the rule now ?
(2) 7-Round or 9-Round for 2009 Group A
With the rule of 7-Round or 9-Round, most if not all will have the concept of 9-Round for 20 players or more, 7-Round for less than 20 players. Silence on the conditions for 7-Round and 9-Round will affect the registration too.
(3) 选拔赛 was held in 2006 with a number of concerns
I hope that the same set of concerns do not appear again.
(4) 2009 Group A and 2009 选拔赛
If we have选拔赛 in the plan yearly, then 2009 Group A can provide players to the 选拔赛 too.
Last but not least, to cancel Group A as compared to lower the prizes, the final inputs should be from this group of 14 to 19 players as there are some set of working staff without additional cast.
Below are my previous suggestions of :
(A) No change of total of $4,000 for 8 prizes with 20 or more players (9 Rounds)
(B) To change to total of $2700 for 6 prizes with 15 to 19 players (7 Rounds)
(C) To change to total of $1700 for 4 prizes with 10 to 14 players (9 Rounds for 10 players round robin, 7 Rounds for more than 10 players)
[碧山 (6-21 12:38, Long long ago)]
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(引用 碧山:Changing The Rules of The Games .....…….
Changing The Rules of The Games Between 2009 Group A and 2009 选拔赛 .....
In the fi...)correction of typo error .....
same set of working staff without additional cost. [碧山 (6-21 13:05, Long long ago)]
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(引用 碧山:七年来参加全国赛人数 .........
七年来参加全国赛人数：
2003 年A组22人, B组84人；
2004 年A组24人, B组67人；
2005 年不分组45人[�...)heard that 公开B组66人, the highest number in the last 5 years ......
For 公开A组, heard about 莫文耀 方建明 梁文杰 潘满意
In 2005, 有级棋手 only 14 人, this year is still better.
Anyway, please wait for official news from SIXGA .....
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those 14 names until yesterday as below :
黄俊铭 朱永吉 洪天瑞 刘剑慧 倪福良 黄毅鸿 黄荣岳 曹子航 许永坤 刘再成 黄俊阳 洪安豪 郑木兴 洪泉发[碧山 (6-21 22:47, Long long ago)]
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(引用 棋一生:象总理事诸公，怎么会无颜见江东父老？ 相信棋友们都应该知道，目前的经济环境并不是很好，要寻找赞助商赞助象棋活动项目并不是一件容易...)A study of records ........
2007 & 2008 (From Bishan Newsletter 2009)
40名有级棋士出席了象总主办的2007全国个人赛 与联办的2008全国个人赛（文礼联办）
象棋大师 吴宗翰 黄俊铭 康德荣 郑祥福 许 信 莫文耀
甲级棋士 黄荣岳 朱永吉 吕瑞展 熊国玮 胡海宇 邱冠杰 梁永兴 刘郁兴 杨高正
洪天瑞 卢国龙 倪福良 黄毅鸿 王英再 刘剑慧
乙级棋士 梁文杰 姚威和 刘茂荣 范永康 曹子航 黄培森 洪泉发 陈来兴 洪腓利
柳国斌 陈福全 郑木兴 刘再成 朱国忠 陈茂然 刘亿豪 林超贤 许永坤
刘广强
Players registered for 2009 so far …….
象棋大师 -- 莫文耀 方建明 黄俊铭
甲级棋士 -- 朱永吉 洪天瑞 倪福良 黄毅鸿 黄荣岳 (heard that 刘剑慧 withdrawn)
乙级棋士 -- 梁文杰 潘满意 曹子航 许永坤 刘再成 黄俊阳 洪安豪 郑木兴 洪泉发
If using Top 6 of last 5 years (2004 to 2008) Group A for 选拔赛, additional candidates (please verify) before 2007 are :
赖汉顺 张勋 林金星 姚捷方 林耀森 郭家铭
but we are not giving chances to new candidates registered for 2009, some are shown below :
方建明 潘满意 许永坤 黄俊阳 洪安豪
Could I conclude preferences are to give chances to those not registered for 2009 Open due to whatever reasons instead of those registered for 2009 Open ?
Regardless 选拔赛 should be conducted for coming three events or not, not to hold 2009 Open for Group A (with at least 17 players till yesterday) will have great impact in future xiangqi activities organised.
This is my last post on this matter.
[碧山 (6-22 8:31, Long long ago)]
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(引用 碧山:So far 2008 Group A only Position 3 in Top 10 registered.......
吴宗翰
黄荣岳
朱永吉 (registered)
吕瑞展
熊国玮
黄俊铭
胡海宇
�)good to see at least 4 of Top 10 registered.......
吴宗翰
黄荣岳 (registered)
朱永吉 (registered)
吕瑞展
熊国玮
黄俊铭 (registered)
胡海宇
康德荣
梁文杰 (registered)
邱冠杰[碧山 (6-22 8:46, Long long ago)]
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(引用 碧山:heard that 公开B组66人, the highest number in the last 5 years ......
For 公开A组, heard about 莫文耀 方建明 梁文杰 潘满意
...)公开B组 at least more than 25% with potential in Top 8 ..........
but could not remember all the names, some are as below :
郑启岁，张友彬，廖铭濠，洪培荣，王印，巫汉梃，蔡俊杰，庄才钧，王相赋，赖俊杰，刘明辉，赵金山，........[碧山 (6-22 9:18, Long long ago)]
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(引用 碧山:A study of records ........
2007 & 2008 (From Bishan Newsletter 2009)
40名有级棋士出席了象总主办的2007全国个人赛 与联办的2008�...)简单声明一下今年经济较差，不少棋手如几度本身的工作压力都加重了，不是不想参加，是时间和精力所限。不宜仅用人数与去年比较。奖金降低的问题，近几年不时浮现，可能也有棋手因此而不参赛，是参赛人数减少的一个原因，但未必是主要原因。我仍然相信大部分的棋手更看重的是享受竞赛中百折不挠和以棋会友的乐趣。
碧山发帖让大家注意到报名人数偏低的问题，鼓励能够参加的棋手踊跃参加，是好的。有棋友注意到这帖来问我，而我也因此致电象总询问。当时了解所得，是仍有一些棋手尚未报名，可能时间未定或持观望态度。如人数不理想，象总也可能延长报名时间，这并非没有先例。
[几度 (6-22 12:39, Long long ago)]
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(引用 碧山:heard that 公开B组66人, the highest number in the last 5 years ...... For 公开A组, heard about 莫文耀 方建明 梁文杰 潘满意 ...)公开A组, heard that 康德荣 registered too, 2 more to go ?[碧山 (6-22 19:54, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]158楼
(引用 碧山:七年来参加全国赛人数 .........
七年来参加全国赛人数：
2003 年A组22人, B组84人；
2004 年A组24人, B组67人；
2005 年不分组45人[�...)非典型性肺炎事件 .............. and H1N1 ........
106, 91, 45, 56, 68, 80, 66 + ? .........
the sum of Group A and Group B yearly since 2003, the year of 非典型性肺炎事件 ..... now it is H1N1 in 2009 ..... [碧山 (6-23 7:02, Long long ago)]
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(引用 碧山:heard that 公开B组66人, the highest number in the last 5 years ......
For 公开A组, heard about 莫文耀 方建明 梁文杰 潘满意
...)heard that someone wishes to register as No. 67 .......
and SIXGA plans to take in two at a time as 66 is an even number now.
With 68 or more, it will be the highest in the last 6 years. :)[碧山 (6-23 13:15, Long long ago)]
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