(引用 棋一生:个人觉得peanut年輕突真言，所说的是事实！！！我周边的棋友，都批评国家队的代表除了吴宗翰之外，实力只是一般，不是最佳的人选。但在华...)suggest to pay attention to 国家 and 团体的角度 only .......
and what is the action plan for the next 2 years (at least), before 2010 第16届亚洲象棋锦标赛 in East Malaysia. (quite a number of previous posts discussed about setting directions for the selection and training of players at National Level if we could not use 全国赛 only.)
个别棋手, 朋友, 赞助商 and 旁观者的角度 should not affect the main direction.[碧山 (11-3 14:28, Long long ago)]
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(引用 棋儒:棋艺水平有待加强，但国家棋手代表的棋品形象更为重要....................你作为我国国家棋手代表，对外的形象很重要。在赛场比赛进行中...)i nvr said i was the best player(i'm at work i can't type chinese)
Top priority for Singapore team is to get good results for the team itself and not for me to get my grandmaster title. it is also my top priority therefore this time to strategist the team well and in a different manner. I take red for certain teams to try to secure the 2 points first for the whole team. This strategy worked for nearly all teams, except Australia. For macau there was miscommunication as i thought zhuyongji was at home. If everything would have gone smoothly as planned, we would have gotten 5th which meant tht our strategy was not tht bad. Against China team i did not play has a few reasons one is to let ruizhan play more, 2 is to secure a winning percentage on my part.(This was the second priority for team singapore told to me by one of leaders.) I'm not obligated to waste my time and effort to explain to you even though i didn't play China. It is your right to have the freedom of speech, and my rights to decide how i should strategist the team to play well in this asia's cup. As u are not the person that has a say in deciding who gets to play for Singapore (anthony) you do not know the teams situation and ability better than him or any of us, so your suggestions would not be taken into consideration. Moreover it's over.
According to wangxinnan, it is not stated in the rules book. "It might be stated in future" but not yet. To me walking around has nohing wrong espcially to relax one's mind from the chess board given tense situations and pressure it helps relax my mind to look at other people's games so that we know what they move in the next few games. Are you saying that xiejing, sunyongzhen should also be "判输" when they look at my games espiecially xiejing which i'm closer to keep coming to view my games. If this rule is changed what about rules in china that play chess professionally? Obviously singapore's rules are flawed, i was asked to sit down and not be able to view my own team's games when i was at yishun taking part in one of their team events there. even my team mate was given a warning as he wanted to view our own teammates games. If it's a team event, players should be given the freedom to view their teammates own games to decide how to play their games as well as their opponents games. so that they know what openings their opponents move. I have ever witness a live china A division league competition and quite a number of players walk around so all should be "判输"? This includes lvqin and xuyinchuan. This time round i didn't see xuyinchuan view games very much though probably because he knows his chess is higher than everyone else.
I get your point. However from my view being a team event, i don't think i did anything wrong so your views would not be taken into my consideration unless it's embedded in the rules. viewing the games mostly of my team and taking afew glimpses of other teams games is perfectly fine to me as professionals in china no one gets a foul for viewing games. so why should there be an absurd rule that we get a foul for viewing our people's games since we're not even professionals. I believe that as long as i do not disturb my opponent(and yes unless my opponent states that me moving around affects him) it's ethically okie. Getting Grandmaster to me is a big thing. However i place my priority results of the Singapore team first. (Like me playing against china would make a difference to the whole team considering that all lost) [xiaobeidou (11-3 14:52, Long long ago)]
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(引用 棋儒:棋艺水平有待加强，但国家棋手代表的棋品形象更为重要....................你作为我国国家棋手代表，对外的形象很重要。在赛场比赛进行中...)我觉得吴宗翰不出战中国 稳保晋升特级大师也没什么不对的地方毕竟吴宗翰是新加坡的代表 可能说到新加坡象棋 最近几年 从外国人的角度来说 大多数人首先想到的就是黄俊铭和吴宗翰了吧 新加坡拥有更多的特级大师也足以证明新加坡象棋水平的提升
当然如果新加坡能取得更好的名次也可以更直接的证明新加坡象棋水平的进步 但是客观说 大家心中都有数 即使吴宗翰那场对中国上场的话 又有多少几率可以赢呢？ 赢了的话2比4和0比6又有多大区别呢？ 能实际改变新加坡的最后名次吗？ 莫不如雪藏自己 保存实力 给其他队友更多锻炼的机会
[一刀n断 (11-3 15:39, Long long ago)]
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(引用 xiaobeidou:i nvr said i was the best player(i'm at work i can't type chinese)
Top priority for Singapore team is to get good results for th...)why China needs to follow Asian Xiangqi rules when playing in .....International events ?
I may not agree with all the views from 棋儒, same for you too.
Of course, we are not in the positions to talk about the skill upgrade areas etc but 国家棋手代表的棋品形象 is our concerns, personally, I also feel that you still have a lot to learn in these areas, especially, you will be the example for young players with your new title of 特级大师.
We should not compare with the local events and conclude that we are not "right" because China xiangqi professionals are not doing it.
Do you know, in 2005 Lion City Cup, a few China players were asked not to move around in the competition area.
Organisers should know their priorities better. [碧山 (11-3 16:27, Long long ago)]
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(引用 碧山:why China needs to follow Asian Xiangqi rules when playing in .....International events ? I may not agree with all the views fr...)i agree that there is a need to constantly upgrade in that area espiecially....since i have upgraded my rank. However from my view i do not understand why we are not able to even view our teammates games during team events. China players were asked to sit down because they are in Singapore. It's a Singaporean Rule not an international rule. We should be given the right to view other people's games in order to decide how to continue playing. Whether to take a more defensive or offensive approach. Than to me it would be considered more like a team event. [xiaobeidou (11-3 16:55, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]105楼
(引用 棋一生:个人觉得peanut年輕突真言，所说的是事实！！！我周边的棋友，都批评国家队的代表除了吴宗翰之外，实力只是一般，不是最佳的人选。但在华...)谢谢老师，希望来年新加坡进六强！[peanut (11-3 16:56, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]106楼
(引用 xiaobeidou:未必peanut 请问你有在现场吗？ 有了解赛场？比赛下完了你是在怪谁呢？假如你认为你棋高与我们以后你来下亚洲赛算了我不下给你下好吗？ �...)对不起，我没去看，只是说自己想法，但我支持新加坡进步。你们四位肯定比我强多了。[peanut (11-3 17:02, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]107楼
(引用 碧山:why China needs to follow Asian Xiangqi rules when playing in .....International events ?
I may not agree with all the views fr...)Regarding players walking around, anyone know about the practices in ........the other 4 types of World Mind Sports ?
If only Xiangqi is doing it, then most likely China Xiangqi Professionals are doing wrongly for many many years.
the meanings of team event should cover many areas even if the players are not allowed to walk around. [碧山 (11-3 17:05, Long long ago)]
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(引用 杀着大全:我也觉得peanut对国家队过于苛刻了)做为棋迷，我希望新加坡是劲旅。看到棋队下不好，心中不快，我的表达方式错了。请原谅。[peanut (11-3 17:11, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]109楼
(引用 peanut:对不起，我没去看，只是说自己想法，但我支持新加坡进步。你们四位肯定比我强多了。)不是强与弱的问题各抒己见而已。论坛本来就是讨论的地方，没有谁强谁弱的问题。
[几度 (11-3 18:48, Long long ago)]
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(引用 棋儒:棋艺水平有待加强，但国家棋手代表的棋品形象更为重要....................你作为我国国家棋手代表，对外的形象很重要。在赛场比赛进行中...)棋品真的是很重要，不过不是为了现给人看的，而是对自己内心的一个交待。[多啦A梦 (11-3 20:18, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]111楼
(引用 xiaobeidou:未必peanut 请问你有在现场吗？
有了解赛场？比赛下完了你是在怪谁呢？假如你认为你棋高与我们以后你来下亚洲赛算了我不下给你下好吗？
�...)有感而发1．遴选制度：取全国赛前四的制度无可厚非，前提是要把目标搞清楚。如果目标是要取得短期内的最佳成绩，显而易见，此制度绝非是最完善的，因为最佳的棋手不一定会参加比赛，而且视临场表现而定，就算参加也未必会取得前四名。如果目标为此，不说其它，黄君就铁定应该在队内的。
但如果目标是长远些，为了激励棋手，尤其是年轻的棋手，勇于进取表现，从而促进棋坛的发展，取前四名的做法总的来说是比较有成效的。当然，除了比赛外，也要有其它的机制为辅。
如果是目标不明确或制度与目标不符，实在不应该说棋手该让贤的话。这有欠公平。而且，对一些棋手而言，这可能是一生一次的机会呀。要他们自动放弃太残忍一点了吧？
2．棋品：在团体赛时观看队友的局势是关心队友理所当然的表现。如果现下棋规没有列此违规，实在不应拿这为口实。当然，棋规可以也应该适时的做出改进，但那是后话了。
3．棋坛感言：感觉上这么多年来还是老问题，缺乏明确的大方向和相应的机制。偶有人才但都没适当地制栽培他们。可惜！
[RB (11-3 21:04, Long long ago)]
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(引用 棋一生:第4轮：中国澳门胜新加坡-5：1；中国香港负中国-2：4！！！中国澳门胜新加坡-5：1 第1台：中国澳门杜光伟胜新加坡吕瑞展 第2台：新加坡吴 ...)改改正：新加坡0：6负中国澳门，吴宗翰超时负！！！[棋一生 (11-3 21:49, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]113楼
(引用 RB:有感而发1．遴选制度：取全国赛前四的制度无可厚非，前提是要把目标搞清楚。如果目标是要取得短期内的最佳成绩，显而易见，此制度绝非是�...)欢迎新人 赠桃＝）[一刀n断 (11-3 22:05, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]114楼
(引用 棋一生:改改正：新加坡0：6负中国澳门，吴宗翰超时负！！！)我觉得这么说对吴宗翰有点残酷了应该跟亚象联提出上诉 请澳门的选手出来作证是和棋还是吴超时负 虽然对吴宗翰升特大没有影响 但是也不能就这样把一盘和了半天的棋因为选手没有停钟就判负啊 当时的棋证都干嘛去了？除了四处逛街喝咖啡扯淡装B清人以外有没有干正经事？[一刀n断 (11-3 22:09, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]115楼
(引用 xiaobeidou:i nvr said i was the best player(i'm at work i can't type chinese)
Top priority for Singapore team is to get good results for th...)如果我的对手频频离座观看别人的棋局！！！我会有以下几个想法：
1）我的对手很瞧不起我，没有把我放在眼里；
2）我的对手非常狂妄自大，自持棋艺非常高超，下棋不用思考；
3）他会让人怀疑我和他下假棋，看了其他选手的成绩之后，才来决定这盘棋的胜、和与负。[棋一生 (11-3 22:11, Long long ago)]
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(引用 棋一生:改改正：新加坡0：6负中国澳门，吴宗翰超时负！！！)我查证的结果！！！1）对局记录有写明黒胜，双方都有签名；
2）隔了多天吴君都没有抗议。[棋一生 (11-3 22:22, Long long ago)]
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(引用 棋一生:如果我的对手频频离座观看别人的棋局！！！我会有以下几个想法： 1）我的对手很瞧不起我，没有把我放在眼里； 2）我的对手非常狂妄自大，...)谢谢您老兄帮我说话[棋儒 (11-4 9:03, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]118楼
(引用 棋一生:如果我的对手频频离座观看别人的棋局！！！我会有以下几个想法：
1）我的对手很瞧不起我，没有把我放在眼里；
2）我的对手非常狂妄自大，...)different people have different views u have yours & i have mine i won't .....disagree on yours but i won't also agree on what u think. For example, u mentioned to allow people that you think have a better ability than us to play for international competition. I totally disagree because i think that to give others a try they get a chance to improve and to gain more exposure. Sending the best player from my experience DOES NOT gurantee the better results.
Similarly to this case, i believe it helps me relax better under tense situations and get to strategise my situations better. Although i don't deny that my opponent might think like wise. I agree with what 多啦A梦 says, it is not for other people to view me as, it is what is inside me that shapes me. However from what Bishan has said, from their perspective as leaders of the chess association they are more concerned with 国家棋手代表的棋品形象 i can understand why. Being a Singapore representative i will give my word to constantly upgrade myself in areas that i lack. For people that are purposely trying to provoke or to create trouble with me, i suggest if u wanna do it, do it openly stop hiding behind your computer pls thank you.
[xiaobeidou (11-4 10:06, Long long ago)]
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(引用 xiaobeidou:i nvr said i was the best player(i'm at work i can't type chinese)
Top priority for Singapore team is to get good results for th...)亚象联的比赛规则确有说明棋手不得随意离席，只是理解的程度与诠释的方式有所不同....亚象联的比赛规则(2003年11月出版）确有说明棋手不得随意离席，请看下文:
第二章比赛通则第九节犯规第一条款（第17页）：
赛员如触犯以下条款，即为技术犯规：
一。" 对局时禁止随意离席或与任何人交谈............."
第一章行棋第三节对局规定第五条款（第10页）：
五。技术犯规
每局棋赛，任何一方技术犯规两次则判负。
我个人的理解是棋手因紧急要去方便（上厕所 )才离席，离席观战算不算“随意离席”呢？
我记得象总以前在 EXPO hall 主办过的 Mind Sports Olympiad Games 棋赛中，国际特级大师胡荣华就这么说过：“你们（指新加坡）的棋手很喜欢离席，观看他人下棋”，你知道他指的是我国那些大牌棋手吗？棋一生也说道棋手频繁离席，是对对方的不尊重。也有人提到：棋品需要发自内心，不是做给人看的。其他国家棋手离席观战，包括大牌棋手在内，王子犯法，与庶民同。
你说：“ according to wang xinnan , it is not stated in the rules book ",你真的有问过王兴南吗？我尊重他，他可是我们裁判班的老师，他不可能不知道有这么一条规例的。
我在这里感激你我国象棋第一高手大费周章回复我这个小人物（... as u are not the person that has a say in deciding who gets to play for Singapore .......... ) 的贴。
[棋儒 (11-4 10:11, Long long ago)]
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