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作者:火影 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:292) 发表:2008-08-24 08:42:33  101楼
熊国伟棋艺猛进,全国赛至今保持金刚不坏之身!!!图一:熊国伟和吴宗翰 图二:黄荣岳负黄俊铭 图三:林耀森负朱永吉 (more...)
国家挑选队果然胜利。
林大师那盘应该是残局优势,可惜没下好,不然7:1。

接下来国家队会像受伤的老虎猛扑飞鹰队。如按局分计算,现在国家队两轮落后5:11,下星期得8:0或7:1胜才能挽回面子。
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作者:几度 (等级:12 - 登峰造极,发帖:3128) 发表:2008-08-24 11:53:29  102楼 评分:
国家挑选队果然胜利。林大师那盘应该是残局优势,可惜没下好,不然7:1。 接下来国家队会像受伤的老虎猛扑飞鹰队。如按局分计算,现在国家队两轮落后5:11,下星期得8:0或7:1胜才能挽回面子。
当局者言
看了一轮,又参与了一轮,窃以为国家队失利的主要原因是选手事务繁忙,准备不足,不能完全进入状态,对局质量和全国赛相比有一定差距。胜败乃兵家常事,几位选手应该深明此理,第3场绝不会为了挽回面子而急于求成。现在下了两场,选手们已经多少恢复了一些状态,尤其是朱永吉第2场的表现和第1场相比是出乎意料地好。因此第3场飞鹰的压力将非常大。但恐怕经过第3场后,国家队选手们不论能否完胜飞鹰,都还是不能完全进入状态的(这倒不是说他们对过的对手差,因为对手同样有状态的问题)。在亚洲赛之前,窃以为选手们仍然有必要养精蓄锐,调整状态,才有机会取得佳绩。

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作者:Eteng (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:282) 发表:2008-08-24 12:05:12  103楼
国家挑选队果然胜利。林大师那盘应该是残局优势,可惜没下好,不然7:1。 接下来国家队会像受伤的老虎猛扑飞鹰队。如按局分计算,现在国家队两轮落后5:11,下星期得8:0或7:1胜才能挽回面子。
haha, whatever happen
I will FOREVER SUPPORT ALVIN N EUGENE unconditionally!!!
Must support Honey n Honey' honey mah!
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作者:几度 (等级:12 - 登峰造极,发帖:3128) 发表:2008-08-24 12:09:39  104楼
当局者言看了一轮,又参与了一轮,窃以为国家队失利的主要原因是选手事务繁忙,准备不足,不能完全进入状态,对局质量和全国赛相比有一定差距。胜败乃兵家常事,几位选手应该深明此理,第3场绝不会为了挽回面子而急于求成。现在下了两场,选手们已经多少恢复了一些状态,尤其是朱永吉第2场的表现和第1场相比是出乎意料地好。因此第3场飞鹰的压力将非常大。但恐怕经过第3场后,国家队选手们不论能否完胜飞鹰,都还是不能完全进入状态的(这倒不是说他们对过的对手差,因为对手同样有状态的问题)。在亚洲赛之前,窃以为选手们仍然有必要养精蓄锐,调整状态,才有机会取得佳绩。
漏说一段
上一帖专论新加坡国家队,漏说了踌躇满志的飞鹰棋手。飞鹰的压力虽大,但并非完全没有机会。从资历和心理上,国家队选手都会觉得是高低手的对弈,因而肯定会设法争胜,不能轻易言和,只是急攻和缓攻的区别。有第1场文礼少年棋手优越表现的先例,飞鹰棋手当可明白国家队选手的心理、状态甚至于技术并非铁板一块。飞鹰棋手如果能完全放下畏惧的心理,敢打敢拼,充分发挥自己的风格,以近距离比分落败甚至于反超取胜,希望都不算渺茫。注重全局,不贪小利,就能让国家队选手们好好地头痛一番。飞鹰队加油!卷心菜加油!益南岳安加油!宋成华加油!

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作者:几度 (等级:12 - 登峰造极,发帖:3128) 发表:2008-08-24 12:24:22  105楼
haha, whatever happenI will FOREVER SUPPORT ALVIN N EUGENE unconditionally!!! Must support Honey n Honey' honey mah!
两位是永远的大头
因为你们不得不头大,哈哈!俗话说得好,大头大头,下雨不愁;人家有伞,你有大头。大头大头,论坛不愁;人家跟帖,你跟大头。大头大头,比赛不愁;人家用冲,你用大头。

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作者:Eteng (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:282) 发表:2008-08-24 12:38:38  106楼
两位是永远的大头因为你们不得不头大,哈哈!俗话说得好,大头大头,下雨不愁;人家有伞,你有大头。大头大头,论坛不愁;人家跟帖,你跟大头。大头大头,比赛不愁;人家用冲,你用大头。
haha, wanna support them mah
几度, 你应该是最了解我的人吧,我心里想到什么,就会直接表现出来。
呵呵, i just feel more comfortable to express myself directly :)
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作者:火影 (等级:3 - 略知一二,发帖:292) 发表:2008-08-24 15:02:52  107楼
漏说一段上一帖专论新加坡国家队,漏说了踌躇满志的飞鹰棋手。飞鹰的压力虽大,但并非完全没有机会。从资历和心理上,国家队选手都会觉得是高低手的对弈,因而肯定会设法争胜,不能轻易言和,只是急攻和缓攻的区别。有第1场文礼少年棋手优越表现的先例,飞鹰棋手当可明白国家队选手的心理、状态甚至于技术并非铁板一块。飞鹰棋手如果能完全放下畏惧的心理,敢打敢拼,充分发挥自己的风格,以近距离比分落败甚至于反超取胜,希望都不算渺茫。注重全局,不贪小利,就能让国家队选手们好好地头痛一番。飞鹰队加油!卷心菜加油!益南岳安加油!宋成华加油!
看了几度的贴,更期待下星期的对局了。
老实说,我支持国家队能在亚洲赛得到好成绩,但存看热闹的心,我还真希望飞鹰队爆冷。
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作者:几度 (等级:12 - 登峰造极,发帖:3128) 发表:2008-08-24 15:07:05  108楼
看了几度的贴,更期待下星期的对局了。老实说,我支持国家队能在亚洲赛得到好成绩,但存看热闹的心,我还真希望飞鹰队爆冷。
呵呵,被你说穿了。
本来我就有点煽风点火的意图。 :P

不过真正说起来,也是希望国家队几位选手有更出色的表现吧。以他们现在的状态,亚洲赛我还真有些担心。

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作者:xiaobeidou (等级:5 - 略有小成,发帖:321) 发表:2008-08-24 23:48:59  109楼 评分:
熊国伟棋艺猛进,全国赛至今保持金刚不坏之身!!!图一:熊国伟和吴宗翰 图二:黄荣岳负黄俊铭 图三:林耀森负朱永吉 (more...)
回顾23/08/2008 国家挑选队挑战国家队
礼拜六下的棋我是蛮失望的也可以说是对自己的一个教训。这么去进步自己的心理素质。原本那盘棋炮打中兵后就有反先的味道可是在后面优势的情况下走的比较快那是因为对手的时间比我的紧想给他压力。就因为那样走松了一两步棋就给熊甲级一些机会最终双方和棋。但对那盘棋很不满。因为反先的时候走得不够紧凑。但是走到双方可以下的时候时间就差不多了到了后面即使我略优双方都剩下10到20秒还要记录就无奈走的稳一点所以和了。这比赛我败在心理和比赛的时间用时。在那方面我看还需要补充一下。

黄荣岳那盘也是优势后来时间紧也走得不好。结果败了。这星期会评注他那盘棋因为那也是我喜爱的开局。

朱永吉那盘也是运气好林耀森残局走的不好不然如果是正常发挥应该就把朱甲级拿下。

对于吕瑞展那盘棋感觉不到10步黑棋已经占优了我认为吕瑞展实在不应该拿红棋那样下。这么进步自己的棋是靠理解不是在开局上一直用软件来猜自己就进步了因为会一直靠软件来下棋。那盘棋主要是要对开局的运子有一定的理解看了那盘棋感觉开局完全没有棋理。希望吕甲级可以在那方面多练一练。
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作者:几度 (等级:12 - 登峰造极,发帖:3128) 发表:2008-08-25 07:31:20  110楼 评分:
回顾23/08/2008 国家挑选队挑战国家队礼拜六下的棋我是蛮失望的也可以说是对自己的一个教训。这么去进步自己的心理素质。原本那盘棋炮打中兵后就有反先的味道可是在后面优势的情况下走的比较快那是因为对手的时间比我的紧想给他压力。就因为那样走松了一两步棋就给熊甲级一些机会最终双方和棋。但对那盘棋很不满。因为反先的时候走得不够紧凑。但是走到双方可以下的时候时间就差不多了到了后面即使我略优双方都剩下10到20秒还要记录就无奈走的稳一点所以和了。这比赛我败在心理和比赛的时间用时。在那方面我看还需要补充一下。 黄荣岳那盘也是优势后来时间紧也走得不好。结果败了。这星期会评注他那盘棋因为那也是我喜爱的开局。 朱永吉那盘也是运气好林耀森残局走的不好不然如果是正常发挥应该就把朱甲级拿下。 对于吕瑞展那盘棋感觉不到10步黑棋已经占优了我认为吕瑞展实在不应该拿红棋那样下。这么进步自己的棋是靠理解不是在开局上一直用软件来猜自己就进步了因为会一直靠软件来下棋。那盘棋主要是要对开局的运子有一定的理解看了那盘棋感觉开局完全没有棋理。希望吕甲级可以在那方面多练一练。
苛求了
国家队这两场的表现,和国际赛的理想发挥仍有距离。如果以国际赛而论,开局很重要。但一盘棋并非只有开局。窃以为中局、残局、临场心理、用时控制等等因素加起来远远超过开局的作用。23日的比赛,国家队初步分析起来是输在中局和用时控制上面了。开局要加强,中局更要多练。深入一步看,失利是缺乏练习以及状态没有调整好的结果,不能怪在一两步棋临场走不出来上面——走不出就是走不出,过后拆棋可以学到东西,但临场的状态不足,总要在这里那里错一点的。

吕大侠为了这一两盘棋的结果心乱吗?没什么的。你在尝试不同的棋路,开始的时候吃点亏是正常的,交点学费换取对不同局面的理解是好事情。等你回到自己最擅长的棋路上面时,这些经验就是很好的补充。

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作者:xiaobeidou (等级:5 - 略有小成,发帖:321) 发表:2008-08-25 08:20:38  111楼
苛求了国家队这两场的表现,和国际赛的理想发挥仍有距离。如果以国际赛而论,开局很重要。但一盘棋并非只有开局。窃以为中局、残局、临场心理、用时控制等等因素加起来远远超过开局的作用。23日的比赛,国家队初步分析起来是输在中局和用时控制上面了。开局要加强,中局更要多练。深入一步看,失利是缺乏练习以及状态没有调整好的结果,不能怪在一两步棋临场走不出来上面——走不出就是走不出,过后拆棋可以学到东西,但临场的状态不足,总要在这里那里错一点的。 吕大侠为了这一两盘棋的结果心乱吗?没什么的。你在尝试不同的棋路,开始的时候吃点亏是正常的,交点学费换取对不同局面的理解是好事情。等你回到自己最擅长的棋路上面时,这些经验就是很好的补充。
所以需要多进步,那盘棋子粒的运子和阵型的配合走的不好深为一个国手在那方面要有一个蛮好的理解。
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作者:xiaobeidou (等级:5 - 略有小成,发帖:321) 发表:2008-08-25 13:36:44  112楼
苛求了国家队这两场的表现,和国际赛的理想发挥仍有距离。如果以国际赛而论,开局很重要。但一盘棋并非只有开局。窃以为中局、残局、临场心理、用时控制等等因素加起来远远超过开局的作用。23日的比赛,国家队初步分析起来是输在中局和用时控制上面了。开局要加强,中局更要多练。深入一步看,失利是缺乏练习以及状态没有调整好的结果,不能怪在一两步棋临场走不出来上面——走不出就是走不出,过后拆棋可以学到东西,但临场的状态不足,总要在这里那里错一点的。 吕大侠为了这一两盘棋的结果心乱吗?没什么的。你在尝试不同的棋路,开始的时候吃点亏是正常的,交点学费换取对不同局面的理解是好事情。等你回到自己最擅长的棋路上面时,这些经验就是很好的补充。
perharps using english would be better for me
It is true players do not have sufficient competitions. Hence lack practise which might be also one of the reasons why the Standard of the Singapore open Top 4 is not as strong (relative to the past). Opening is important especially if you meet highhands. For players that are more evenly match it is also important but not as much.

For Ruizhan's game, i felt that it was lacking in certain areas (already elaborated in chinese). Well, i'm not saying that my skills and tactics are excellent. I'm not sure if people agree with me but thats how i feel. Hope my feedback could help him do a little reflections. Thank you



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作者:bls (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:222) 发表:2008-08-25 14:46:21  113楼 评分:
perharps using english would be better for meIt is true players do not have sufficient competitions. Hence lack practise which might be also one of the reasons why the Standard of the Singapore open Top 4 is not as strong (relative to the past). Opening is important especially if you meet highhands. For players that are more evenly match it is also important but not as much. For Ruizhan's game, i felt that it was lacking in certain areas (already elaborated in chinese). Well, i'm not saying that my skills and tactics are excellent. I'm not sure if people agree with me but thats how i feel. Hope my feedback could help him do a little reflections. Thank you
My view.
I think that the reason for Singapore open top 4 is relatively not as strong as compare to the past national team is due to that this year, national team is selected base on just seven rounds of matches. The element of luck is there as given a lucky day, a weaker player might 'pick durian' or out prepared the stronger one. However, if the competition is base on 9 or more rounds, then the luck factor would be reduced. Furthermore, selection of the national team base on June's national could not guarantee all good players got the chance to compete for national seat. Some working class are more busy at June and December period but they will be able to play at other months. I believe the selection method 2 years ago was good, where the top 2 auto qualify and the rest fight for the other 2 placing to representing Singapore. Thats was when the then class B's xiaobeidou qualify for national team right?

For Ruizhan's game, i feel he should use play more agressive with red. Against 几度,using 先手单提马 to counter 中炮 is quite a waste of 先行之利。That game, he loses his 先手 in just 6moves.
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作者:xiaobeidou (等级:5 - 略有小成,发帖:321) 发表:2008-08-25 17:07:16  114楼
My view.I think that the reason for Singapore open top 4 is relatively not as strong as compare to the past national team is due to that this year, national team is selected base on just seven rounds of matches. The element of luck is there as given a lucky day, a weaker player might 'pick durian' or out prepared the stronger one. However, if the competition is base on 9 or more rounds, then the luck factor would be reduced. Furthermore, selection of the national team base on June's national could not guarantee all good players got the chance to compete for national seat. Some working class are more busy at June and December period but they will be able to play at other months. I believe the selection method 2 years ago was good, where the top 2 auto qualify and the rest fight for the other 2 placing to representing Singapore. Thats was when the then class B's xiaobeidou qualify for national team right? For Ruizhan's game, i feel he should use play more agressive with red. Against 几度,using 先手单提马 to c (more...)
100 percent agree with what BLS said
This is quite true the System for the past 2 years has some luck element in it. Last year's top 4 i believe really had the ability of the top 4 players in the competition. On the other hand, This year all the top 4 players except Alan Chu (3rd position) did not meet as many dashis. Think he met me in the semifinals and thats about it. Whereas the rest of the top 4 met quite a few highhands. So i would also not say this year is by luck because people like huangrongyue met quite afew dashi and jiaji, like myself, huangjunming, ningfuliang, alan chu and liu yuxing and lu ruizhan etc. In which he defeated all of them except the masters (drew) and luruizhan(lost). Ruizhan had an even more impressive record. Though he was red against all the masters but he beat all of us so full credit goes to him.
I would also prefer an 11 round competition to be fair however, i believe the organisors has its reasons for not doing so.
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作者:几度 (等级:12 - 登峰造极,发帖:3128) 发表:2008-08-25 21:12:29  115楼
My view.I think that the reason for Singapore open top 4 is relatively not as strong as compare to the past national team is due to that this year, national team is selected base on just seven rounds of matches. The element of luck is there as given a lucky day, a weaker player might 'pick durian' or out prepared the stronger one. However, if the competition is base on 9 or more rounds, then the luck factor would be reduced. Furthermore, selection of the national team base on June's national could not guarantee all good players got the chance to compete for national seat. Some working class are more busy at June and December period but they will be able to play at other months. I believe the selection method 2 years ago was good, where the top 2 auto qualify and the rest fight for the other 2 placing to representing Singapore. Thats was when the then class B's xiaobeidou qualify for national team right? For Ruizhan's game, i feel he should use play more agressive with red. Against 几度,using 先手单提马 to c (more...)
I have somehow different Views on Rui Zhan's opening
It is not because he abandons his favourite opening, but rather he's trying hard to study another type of openings. He might not have done it perfectly, but we can see he's improving, and the practice is good for his preparation of International games later.

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作者:xiaobeidou (等级:5 - 略有小成,发帖:321) 发表:2008-08-25 21:24:48  116楼
I have somehow different Views on Rui Zhan's openingIt is not because he abandons his favourite opening, but rather he's trying hard to study another type of openings. He might not have done it perfectly, but we can see he's improving, and the practice is good for his preparation of International games later.
haha i'm not trying to be mean :P however..
But don't u think because u played him, it would not be very objective for u to u say tht? hehe well from a simple point of view i feel that from a less subjective point it would be better for someone who didn't play him to make a better judgement since u beat him :P Besides from BLS's comment i do agree 6moves to fan xian how can that be a good sign?
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作者:piggy888 (等级:4 - 马马虎虎,发帖:101) 发表:2008-08-25 21:45:18  117楼 评分:
haha i'm not trying to be mean :P however..But don't u think because u played him, it would not be very objective for u to u say tht? hehe well from a simple point of view i feel that from a less subjective point it would be better for someone who didn't play him to make a better judgement since u beat him :P Besides from BLS's comment i do agree 6moves to fan xian how can that be a good sign?
From my point of view as fellow Boon Lay teammate....
I think Ruizhan has abandoned his favourite openings and trying something new now. He could be trying to achieve a breakthrough or something like that.

As his team mate or as Singapore supporters, I think we should support him and hope he can achieve that breakthrough soon.
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作者:几度 (等级:12 - 登峰造极,发帖:3128) 发表:2008-08-25 21:51:39  118楼
haha i'm not trying to be mean :P however..But don't u think because u played him, it would not be very objective for u to u say tht? hehe well from a simple point of view i feel that from a less subjective point it would be better for someone who didn't play him to make a better judgement since u beat him :P Besides from BLS's comment i do agree 6moves to fan xian how can that be a good sign?
It is a good sign.
Losing the initiative in 6 rounds isn't a good sign, for the game itself. However it is a good sign for Lv, who instantly well understood this position and therefore similar positions. You may blame him for making such an opening in this game, but you won't see him making this mistake again in the future. Our views appear to be on the contrast sides, but we are talking about different things - you talk about right now, and I talk about 2 months later.

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作者:bls (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:222) 发表:2008-08-25 22:20:03  119楼
It is a good sign.Losing the initiative in 6 rounds isn't a good sign, for the game itself. However it is a good sign for Lv, who instantly well understood this position and therefore similar positions. You may blame him for making such an opening in this game, but you won't see him making this mistake again in the future. Our views appear to be on the contrast sides, but we are talking about different things - you talk about right now, and I talk about 2 months later.
It depends.
If Ruizhan is planning train with non mainstream opening to improve his understanding of opening theories, then it is good in the long term as he would be able to play better against opponents who play horse or elephant openings. But if he plans to play 单提马 in the competition two months later, then it would be a risk to take. We all know that 单提马 is a defensive opening and it does not suit ruizhan's attacking style. Moreover, two months is too short to convert an attacking style to defensive style.
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作者:xiaobeidou (等级:5 - 略有小成,发帖:321) 发表:2008-08-25 22:53:53  120楼
From my point of view as fellow Boon Lay teammate....I think Ruizhan has abandoned his favourite openings and trying something new now. He could be trying to achieve a breakthrough or something like that. As his team mate or as Singapore supporters, I think we should support him and hope he can achieve that breakthrough soon.
i deserve to be more sensitive considering that i'll b in the same team as him
Of cos i meant well i mean my feedbacks are not meant to put him down. Please refer to the past few posts where i mention specifically on where he should improve on. I believe my views are more sensitive than many others as his results play a big part in the event i would be taking part in as well as he would be in the same team as me in 亚洲杯. I'm not trying to discourage anyone once again i'm trying to be realistic. Are you saying that in international competition he is going to move PAO 2 PING 7 as his first move? Lets be honest his middle game and end game is not spectacular as he mentioned. I apologise if i hurt anyone if i'm being straightforward. Zhong pao is what he is best at so he should stick to that and move as many bian as possible.

反先very quickly u may not encounter the next time round but does that "gurantee" an improvement? Everygame u lose there is no gurantee that there is an improvement. Only if you play it very often most important is what i mentioned the 运子and理解。From my view which is also BLS's view i do believe it's abit late to play different oppenings i think he should just stick to openings that he would have a higher possibility of encountering during international competitions.

From 几度's post i understand u mean well. However ur views would not help him improve his games very much as you will only encourage him to move weird openings again and we all know that his strength lies in his opening. (currently) Not his mid or end game. For now till 2months later he should really focus on the openings he wants to move.
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