消极的看是一次角力, why choose Bishan, near to SIXGA HQ ???
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作者:2008八连负 (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:104) 发表:2008-06-29 12:54:28  楼主  关注此帖
积极的看是一次团体高手对垒的机会积极的看是一次团体高手对垒的机会,将有18盘精彩高手对局出现,所以很期待。
消极的看是一次角力, why choose Bishan, near to SIXGA HQ ???

anyway, personally I do not like to get into it since 6 years ago when I was elected to SIXGA EXCO.

As mentioned, I respect whoever is taking charge of SIXGA and help out if time permits and the right way to change it if not happy should be through election and not other means.

As for RC matter, the matter was referred up and I do not want to touch on it further.
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作者:2008八连负 (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:104) 发表:2008-06-29 23:48:40  2楼
平和一些看呢?我相信华新队参赛的目的,是给众多棋手多制造一个交流的机会,着眼点在于棋手。华新作为一个中立的论坛,组织也比较松散,不可能真的从各棋队拉走什么人自组棋队。悟入棋途的版主和活跃棋手,基本上都各有棋队,也各自忠于自己棋队。碧山东刚刚成立,首要目的是建立关系,促进象棋活动,华新队参赛,窃以为无可厚非。 棋友2008的着眼点,则在于棋会之间的关系。碧山东给这一区带来了一些高手,可以促进象棋的发展。但碧山东棋队的选址,和现有的碧山象棋会以及新加坡象棋总会很近,存在争夺资源的隐忧。长远来说,是福是祸,尚难预料。接下来这两方面是共建还是对耗,是合作还是对抗,着实令人关注。从个人角度来说,两方的棋手和管理层,都有不少我的朋友,有些事情我不便作太深入的讨论,但我希望象总、碧山能够继续发扬以前象总和碧山和解的智慧,碧山东方面也不意气用事,双方能够开诚布公地讨论解决方案,达致共识。新加坡棋坛,恐怕再经不起一次大的震荡了。蓄意对抗,只能两败俱伤,望各位三思。
Since this matter is referred to the top, .........
initially I plan to ignore all post(s) related to this matter.

Anyway, if I am asked to give my views for considerations, I will provide as below :

争夺资源的隐忧 -- this is not a concern, the concern is more on RC's objective, PA HQ should have very clear stand on this matter. As for the training of young xiangqi players at National Level, definitely it is the direction of SIXGA and not any of the 550 RCs should look into it.

蓄意对抗 is more on the RC team, as mentioned early, if this group of xiangqi players could find one C.C. and help the C.C. to build a xiangqi team, I believe quite a number of C.C.s will like to have it.

I believe 碧山象棋会以及新加坡象棋总会 both know about their own directions but seem to me that the RC team do not know about the RC objective.

As for 悟入棋途论坛, I have my reservation now regarding its stand of 中立, e.g. I am one of the 网友 here but I have the strong objection to participate, how about other 网友 ?

As 中立论坛, is it better for 悟入棋途版主 to consult Singapore National Xiangqi Body, i.e. SIXGA on this matter.

Anyway, I will stop here and just wait for the directive from PA HQ and do not wish to discuss on this matter further.

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作者:2008八连负 (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:104) 发表:2008-06-30 09:33:33  3楼
100%赞同你的看法!!! 这就有如目前的市场上有许多美容院看准姑娘爱美的心态,推出许多减肥配套和减肥药品一样。那些药品有害的;那些药品不合法的;那间美容院的减肥配套是欺骗顾客的钱的,应该由政府的有关部们去调查与决定。而不应该是由另外一间美容院私自来决定的。 顾客是无辜的,在政府未法出通告之前,顾客怎么知道那些药品有害?那些减肥配套是欺骗顾客的?如果有某某美容院甲说某某美容院乙是非法的,卖的减肥药品是有害顾客身体的,所推出的减肥配套是骗顾客的钱的,你想,顾客可能相信吗?当然不会相信!因为美容院甲与美容院乙彼此之间,有利害冲突关系。 美容甲如果真心为顾客着想,正确的做法是向政府有关部们投诉,让政府有关部们调查与采取行动,封闭容院乙。否则,顾客会以为美容院甲妒忌美容乙的生意兴隆,因此到处无事生非!!!!!
As mentioned, this matter was referred up yesterday, ........
although you are sending this post in your personal capacity but a lot of players may think this is also the official stand from the 3rd man.

By the way, for 美容, when 政府 take action on the shop could be after the events, ended up with ugly faces or the worst cause a life, so, not a good example too.
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作者:2008八连负 (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:104) 发表:2008-06-30 09:43:47  4楼
As mentioned, this matter was referred up yesterday, ........although you are sending this post in your personal capacity but a lot of players may think this is also the official stand from the 3rd man. By the way, for 美容, when 政府 take action on the shop could be after the events, ended up with ugly faces or the worst cause a life, so, not a good example too.
one example of water supplier .......

do you know in the commercial buildings, some have the water supplier for drinking or industrial use.

One building in the north connected the water pipes wrongly after maintenance several years ago, ended up .....

The commercial building example as given by 业余棋评家, do you know how the building connect the water pipes, could it be only drinking water for level 3 only ? Even toilets could have both types of connections !!!
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作者:2008八连负 (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:104) 发表:2008-06-30 10:52:27  5楼
个别理事对某件事的看法,未必一定与“会”的看法相同!!! 大家如果有参加过团体,有担任过团体理事,相信都有这个经验,对于某件事的看法,全体的理事不可能每次都是相同的,一定会有某些理事的看法不同,最终要投票表决。因此,我个人在华新发表的看法,纯粹是我个人的看法,并不是经过理事会通过的看法。 我希望“2008年八连负”,往后不要以“众棋友”的藉口,把我的看法,硬套为“总会的看法”,离间我与总会诸理事的感情,让我背上“莫须有”的罪名。 同时,我也希望“2008年八连负”不要再套用“众棋友”的老套,要敢敢把他们的名字列出,让我有机会向他阐明“会与个人”的关系。 我个人也希望“2008年八连负”往后,能够把大部份的时间和精神,除了一部份用在多关心你的“Boss”之外,如果真的对棋艺有浓厚的兴趣,其他时间可专心用在打谱,提高本身的棋艺,不要再重复“八连负”的败绩。你个人心理上可能感觉无所谓,但有些棋友可能有所谓,那会影响他们的对手分,影响他们的名次。
I give up !!!
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作者:2008八连负 (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:104) 发表:2008-06-30 11:00:24  6楼
个别理事对某件事的看法,未必一定与“会”的看法相同!!! 大家如果有参加过团体,有担任过团体理事,相信都有这个经验,对于某件事的看法,全体的理事不可能每次都是相同的,一定会有某些理事的看法不同,最终要投票表决。因此,我个人在华新发表的看法,纯粹是我个人的看法,并不是经过理事会通过的看法。 我希望“2008年八连负”,往后不要以“众棋友”的藉口,把我的看法,硬套为“总会的看法”,离间我与总会诸理事的感情,让我背上“莫须有”的罪名。 同时,我也希望“2008年八连负”不要再套用“众棋友”的老套,要敢敢把他们的名字列出,让我有机会向他阐明“会与个人”的关系。 我个人也希望“2008年八连负”往后,能够把大部份的时间和精神,除了一部份用在多关心你的“Boss”之外,如果真的对棋艺有浓厚的兴趣,其他时间可专心用在打谱,提高本身的棋艺,不要再重复“八连负”的败绩。你个人心理上可能感觉无所谓,但有些棋友可能有所谓,那会影响他们的对手分,影响他们的名次。
such views from a 3rd man, although in personal capacity .....

my suggestion to you is try to be more careful in your talks instead of apologies later so many times.

Your last sentence is to ask me not to join the competition ?! you can 专心 打谱 and I can continue with the 八连负, are you suggesting those not able to reach the top 8 not to join the competition ? Are we wanting more graded players to come out ?

Actually, we can learn from Hong Kong to demote a player, say in the last 20 % or not coming out for a number of years, we have such discussions in 悟入棋途 previously too.
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作者:2008八连负 (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:104) 发表:2008-06-30 11:07:05  7楼
个别理事对某件事的看法,未必一定与“会”的看法相同!!! 大家如果有参加过团体,有担任过团体理事,相信都有这个经验,对于某件事的看法,全体的理事不可能每次都是相同的,一定会有某些理事的看法不同,最终要投票表决。因此,我个人在华新发表的看法,纯粹是我个人的看法,并不是经过理事会通过的看法。 我希望“2008年八连负”,往后不要以“众棋友”的藉口,把我的看法,硬套为“总会的看法”,离间我与总会诸理事的感情,让我背上“莫须有”的罪名。 同时,我也希望“2008年八连负”不要再套用“众棋友”的老套,要敢敢把他们的名字列出,让我有机会向他阐明“会与个人”的关系。 我个人也希望“2008年八连负”往后,能够把大部份的时间和精神,除了一部份用在多关心你的“Boss”之外,如果真的对棋艺有浓厚的兴趣,其他时间可专心用在打谱,提高本身的棋艺,不要再重复“八连负”的败绩。你个人心理上可能感觉无所谓,但有些棋友可能有所谓,那会影响他们的对手分,影响他们的名次。
for those 棋友 played with me in 2008,are they thinking of .......

winning me or they are thinking for me to get more 对手分 for them ?

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作者:2008八连负 (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:104) 发表:2008-06-30 11:11:00  8楼
个别理事对某件事的看法,未必一定与“会”的看法相同!!! 大家如果有参加过团体,有担任过团体理事,相信都有这个经验,对于某件事的看法,全体的理事不可能每次都是相同的,一定会有某些理事的看法不同,最终要投票表决。因此,我个人在华新发表的看法,纯粹是我个人的看法,并不是经过理事会通过的看法。 我希望“2008年八连负”,往后不要以“众棋友”的藉口,把我的看法,硬套为“总会的看法”,离间我与总会诸理事的感情,让我背上“莫须有”的罪名。 同时,我也希望“2008年八连负”不要再套用“众棋友”的老套,要敢敢把他们的名字列出,让我有机会向他阐明“会与个人”的关系。 我个人也希望“2008年八连负”往后,能够把大部份的时间和精神,除了一部份用在多关心你的“Boss”之外,如果真的对棋艺有浓厚的兴趣,其他时间可专心用在打谱,提高本身的棋艺,不要再重复“八连负”的败绩。你个人心理上可能感觉无所谓,但有些棋友可能有所谓,那会影响他们的对手分,影响他们的名次。
Do you understand, e.g. in cabinet meetings could have different views but ....
having same stand when facing the public .....

SIXGA EXCO may need to learn this too.
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作者:2008八连负 (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:104) 发表:2008-06-30 11:45:15  9楼
个别理事对某件事的看法,未必一定与“会”的看法相同!!! 大家如果有参加过团体,有担任过团体理事,相信都有这个经验,对于某件事的看法,全体的理事不可能每次都是相同的,一定会有某些理事的看法不同,最终要投票表决。因此,我个人在华新发表的看法,纯粹是我个人的看法,并不是经过理事会通过的看法。 我希望“2008年八连负”,往后不要以“众棋友”的藉口,把我的看法,硬套为“总会的看法”,离间我与总会诸理事的感情,让我背上“莫须有”的罪名。 同时,我也希望“2008年八连负”不要再套用“众棋友”的老套,要敢敢把他们的名字列出,让我有机会向他阐明“会与个人”的关系。 我个人也希望“2008年八连负”往后,能够把大部份的时间和精神,除了一部份用在多关心你的“Boss”之外,如果真的对棋艺有浓厚的兴趣,其他时间可专心用在打谱,提高本身的棋艺,不要再重复“八连负”的败绩。你个人心理上可能感觉无所谓,但有些棋友可能有所谓,那会影响他们的对手分,影响他们的名次。
very clear that the first group of 众棋友 you need to talk to is SIXGA EXCO...
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作者:2008八连负 (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:104) 发表:2008-06-30 12:04:06  10楼
我没禁止你参赛!!! 下棋的人可能有三个目的 : (1)消遣,打发闲余时间,下得好不好,无所谓,不追求名与利; (2)成为一名好棋手,棋要下得好,受人赞赏,有机会代表国家; (3)为了工作,由于就职的公司或团体的关关,不得不接触象棋。 象总将棋手分等级的其中一个目的,就是要在有级的棋手中,通过彼此之间的竞赛,从中选出最优秀的,代表国家出赛。因此,如果一个棋手参加有级的比赛,目的纯粹是为了个人的兴趣,只是为了消遣,打发闲余的时间,而志不在于把棋下得好,下得精彩,争取好的成绩,那我很乐意奉劝他,最好不要参赛,在家多关心太太儿女。以免连累其他的棋手。 因此,如果你要参赛,就要下苦功,多下棋是不够的,要多打谱,再实践,以你的资质与天赋,来年要摆脱“八连负”的枷锁,是指日可待的!!!
but I enjoy the process and not really care about the results .....

anyway, not easy to get permit (to Boon Lay or Bishan) for future years when I stay at Tanjong Pagar.
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作者:2008八连负 (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:104) 发表:2008-06-30 12:06:58  11楼
那我就等待SIXGA EXCO对我采取行动吧!!!
wrong 跟帖 !!! Please be more careful !!!

"this matter was referred up yesterday, ........" is regarding RC matter to PA HQ.
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作者:2008八连负 (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:104) 发表:2008-06-30 12:10:20  12楼
那我就等待SIXGA EXCO对我采取行动吧!!!
You have requested to talk to 众棋友 but this is the other way now !!!
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作者:2008八连负 (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:104) 发表:2008-06-30 15:56:43  13楼
我没禁止你参赛!!! 下棋的人可能有三个目的 : (1)消遣,打发闲余时间,下得好不好,无所谓,不追求名与利; (2)成为一名好棋手,棋要下得好,受人赞赏,有机会代表国家; (3)为了工作,由于就职的公司或团体的关关,不得不接触象棋。 象总将棋手分等级的其中一个目的,就是要在有级的棋手中,通过彼此之间的竞赛,从中选出最优秀的,代表国家出赛。因此,如果一个棋手参加有级的比赛,目的纯粹是为了个人的兴趣,只是为了消遣,打发闲余的时间,而志不在于把棋下得好,下得精彩,争取好的成绩,那我很乐意奉劝他,最好不要参赛,在家多关心太太儿女。以免连累其他的棋手。 因此,如果你要参赛,就要下苦功,多下棋是不够的,要多打谱,再实践,以你的资质与天赋,来年要摆脱“八连负”的枷锁,是指日可待的!!!
"连累其他的棋手" ??? Thanks to 网络蚂蚁 for the third party's view, ...........

I believe we like to have those strong ones in top 8 and do not need to wait for me on 对手分.

Only those Top 8 will be promoted to 甲级 and only 甲级 can be considered to 代表国家出赛.

I believe that at least a few of the players for 2008 Group A are quite sure before the competition starts that not able to join this year Top 8, is it better for us not to join the competition at all ? After so much effort, SIXGA and Boon Lay managed to get 22 players for this year Group A, I joined this year purely to give my support to Boon Lay although distance is one of my main concerns, of course, I had chances in some of the games too but definitely still in the bottom few of the ranking.

On 棋一生's request to ask for the name of “众棋友” for him [有机会阐明“会与个人”的关系。], when I gave the “众棋友” as SIXGA EXCO, instead of for him to 阐明“会与个人”的关系 in his next EXCO meeting, he said : [那我就等待SIXGA EXCO对我采取行动吧!!!] what is the whole logic of these !!!

众棋友 may notice from the past incidences that both 棋一生 and I talked at different "languages", I still could recall that

棋一生 said -- "我希望以后你看到我写的文章,是真的也好,虚构的也好,就当作看故事小说就好,不要过于认真。"

could this be the main reason ? He is writing 小说 but I treat them as facts. :(

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作者:2008八连负 (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:104) 发表:2008-06-30 16:20:40  14楼
网络蚂蚁真有正义感,佩服,佩服!!!
Good, at least you listen to 网络蚂蚁. ........

By the way, who is 网络蚂蚁 ?
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作者:2008八连负 (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:104) 发表:2008-06-30 18:28:26  15楼
wrong 跟帖?
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作者:2008八连负 (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:104) 发表:2008-06-30 18:34:20  16楼
网络蚂蚁真有正义感,佩服,佩服!!!
I hope you understand that 网络蚂蚁 is talking to you, .......
please close this matter since you agree to him. Thanks.
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作者:2008八连负 (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:104) 发表:2008-07-01 07:16:10  17楼
I believe they certainly hope so.To be frank, 8 opponents' minor points(exclude 2008八连负) and 9 opponents' minor point can make one or two rank difference.
Sorry, may be I did not make it clear ............

for those playing with me, they cannot expect me to lost to them and then playing even harder later to get 对手分 for them.

I play hard for each and every game, for me to get higher points will include winning of them too, you cannot expect best of both worlds.

Anyway, I will not give away points for any competition.
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作者:2008八连负 (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:104) 发表:2008-07-01 07:43:01  18楼
网络蚂蚁真有正义感,佩服,佩服!!!
I hate to talk on this again but I have to repeat it one more time ........

personally I think (may be wrong) when you read

Rubbish again ! - 网络蚂蚁 491 字节 2008-06-30 14:38 (51 点击)

you thought he directed the post to me, so you said

网络蚂蚁真有正义感,佩服,佩服!!! - 棋一生 0 字节 2008-06-30 16:10 (27 点击)

So when you understood that in fact the "Rubbish again" was directed to you .... then ....

please note the word "again" !!!, which of your past postings with the "Rubbish" remark from 网络蚂蚁 ?!

As the 3rd man in SIXGA, you are part of the team to promote Xiangqi Development in Singapore and more important is to provide direction for Xiangqi Development in Singapore.

Your discouragement remarks for low skill players including me even in personal capacity is no good to your image as 3rd man and also to SIXGA too. Please be more careful in your postings.

I use "2008八连负" as my name in 悟入棋途 is not only to remind myself of my poor performance in 2008 National Open Group A but at the same time I want to encourage other players to come out to join the competitions. Whether I put in more effort later to improve my skill should not stop me to join future competitions if time permits. Yes, 对手分 may affect other players in their rankings, but we are getting the best to represent our Nation, they should not be selected just due to having higher 对手分 from me. They should count on their own strengths.

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作者:2008八连负 (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:104) 发表:2008-07-01 09:02:30  19楼
I remember one player complainingat the beginning of round 8 that he cannot make it to top 4 because he was 'unlucky' got one 'horse' that cannot 'run'.
You need to tell him that he was lucky to get a win from me lah .....
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作者:2008八连负 (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:104) 发表:2008-07-01 09:08:39  20楼
I remember one player complainingat the beginning of round 8 that he cannot make it to top 4 because he was 'unlucky' got one 'horse' that cannot 'run'.
by the way, if he needs to have hard fight with me, he is not so strong and ...
better not for him to go into Top 4. :D


I only played with two players in Top 8. You can check with both regarding my games with them.
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