没说要给住得近的absolute priority
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作者:snowflamingo (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:66) 发表:2013-08-03 20:00:45  楼主  关注此帖
首先,如果整个家族都是校友的话对母校的重视和回馈母校的几率肯定比较高 然后,对于那些名校如南洋,校友都比较优秀,他们的孩子成为好学生的几率是不是比一般邻里孩子来的高呢?优秀的生源对学校维持地位和传统是很重要的。
没说要给住得近的absolute priority
但是给校友absolute priority 就合理吗?有多少校友是真正对母校做了实在贡献的?
我觉得至少应该控制2A1+2A2阶段的学额总数,不然对住在一公里内的孩子也很不公平的。
明明可以走路上学的,却应该家里附近那所小学太热门,而必须每天坐车上学。而有些住得远的校友小孩也每天要开车过来。这些都是浪费社会资源,恶化交通状况。


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作者:snowflamingo (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:66) 发表:2013-08-03 23:13:14  2楼
首先,如果整个家族都是校友的话对母校的重视和回馈母校的几率肯定比较高 然后,对于那些名校如南洋,校友都比较优秀,他们的孩子成为好学生的几率是不是比一般邻里孩子来的高呢?优秀的生源对学校维持地位和传统是很重要的。
再说一遍,没说要给住得近的absolute priority
但是至少应该给校友那两轮的总学额设一个限度。这样的话,校友仍然在phase 2A, 仍然是占了便宜的。

小学校友和大学校友不同,跟日后成就的correlation并没有那么夸张。为什么南洋之类的会考成绩好,一部分也是占了GEP centre的光,其实GEP班里很多学生并不来自本校低年级部。

至于房产的问题,所有国家都存在学区房,不见得房价都夸张得像春运的车票,也不见得很多人会为了孩子的学额去买大大超过自己能力的房产,市场自然会调解到一个平衡点。

现在这样,剥夺了大部分住在名校一公里内的孩子的就近入学权,说实话我觉得简直匪夷所思。

没有一个制度是可以十几年不变的最合适的。如果教育部连微调都不敢的话,只能说既得利益者的话语权太强大了。

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作者:snowflamingo (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:66) 发表:2013-08-03 23:18:17  3楼
首先,如果整个家族都是校友的话对母校的重视和回馈母校的几率肯定比较高 然后,对于那些名校如南洋,校友都比较优秀,他们的孩子成为好学生的几率是不是比一般邻里孩子来的高呢?优秀的生源对学校维持地位和传统是很重要的。
我一直考虑的是孩子上学的便利性
也许有些人不介意让孩子每天花很多时间在上学放学的路上,可是我很介意。明明有很近的学校,却要被踢到更远的地方去上学,我觉得很不公平的。

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作者:snowflamingo (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:66) 发表:2013-08-04 15:19:27  4楼
首先,如果整个家族都是校友的话对母校的重视和回馈母校的几率肯定比较高 然后,对于那些名校如南洋,校友都比较优秀,他们的孩子成为好学生的几率是不是比一般邻里孩子来的高呢?优秀的生源对学校维持地位和传统是很重要的。
I'm sorry I have to reply again
1. Probabilty of alumni kids doing better than kids living within 1km? Do you have statistics to support this argument? Or is it just a conjecture??

2. Half of NYPS kids scoring 240 or above in PSLE - do you know how much percentage of each cohort in NYPS belongs to the gifted program? More than 10%. Do you know how much percentage get to share GE resources? Almost 30%. And do you know how much more resources were provided to the GE program?

3. The argument about the affiliation from from primary school to junior college is totally not valid. I work in the education system; in fact, a lot of NYPS kids move on to the Raffles family, and a lot of ACS kids move on to the other schools too. Alumni bonding only started from secondary school onwards.

4. The entire argument about so called "elite enclave" just makes all the talks about "every school is a good school" a big joke. So can I say that the MOE is rather self-contradictory? Not willing to make a slightest change to the absolute priority given to alumni, and yet claiming all the school are equally good? If all schools are good, shouldn't young kids to allocated to the nearest school, for greatest convenience?

I actually agree that there is a need for schools associate with their alumni and give them certain privilege. But giving absolute priority to alumni is just totally irrational.

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作者:snowflamingo (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:66) 发表:2013-08-04 15:33:34  5楼
首先,如果整个家族都是校友的话对母校的重视和回馈母校的几率肯定比较高 然后,对于那些名校如南洋,校友都比较优秀,他们的孩子成为好学生的几率是不是比一般邻里孩子来的高呢?优秀的生源对学校维持地位和传统是很重要的。
Anyway, there is nothing we can do.
其实我自己也是教育工作者,觉得有些现象实在很不公平,尤其是给校友绝对优先权的政策。如果给两公里内的校友优先权,我完全没有意见。

反正我等平民,什么也做不了。我自己的孩子,如果进不了家里附近的热门小学,只好让他去两公里外的普通小学。其实也没什么,就是又要辛苦老人帮我天天接孩子了,或者让小朋友从小一就开始坐校车。

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作者:snowflamingo (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:66) 发表:2013-08-04 17:48:14  6楼
首先,如果整个家族都是校友的话对母校的重视和回馈母校的几率肯定比较高 然后,对于那些名校如南洋,校友都比较优秀,他们的孩子成为好学生的几率是不是比一般邻里孩子来的高呢?优秀的生源对学校维持地位和传统是很重要的。
No, I don't agree that top PRIMARY schools produce better students
because of their P1 intake.

I have always stressed that PRIMARY schools are not the same as secondary schools or universities. Yes, because of PSLE results or secondary qualifications, top secondary school and universities produce better students. But I don't see how giving ABSOLUTE priority to alumni ensures a primary school's quality.

As I said, in my opinion, most of the so called elite primary schools get their status today not because of the P1 registration policy, which started about 15 years ago; but because of the resources they enjoyed from being a GEP centre - the GE program started about 30 years ago.

I'm actually offended that you said "precisely why you want to send you own kids there". I mentioned many times in my previous posts that my greatest concern is kid's convenience and how much sleep he enjoys. I don't care if he goes to a neighbourhood school if it is located downstairs. I was from a neighbourhood school myself and I think it's perfectly fine. But is it fair that he should go to some school further away, just because we have been staying near some popular school (which is also near his parent's work place) since he was born? Or shall I actually buy a new house to move away from the crowd??

I already said that alumni bonding started from secondary school, so your comparison of an RJC alumni with an RGPS-RGS-RJC alumni is shortchanging my idea. In fact, as I mentioned previously, a lot of RGS students are NOT from RGPS. My opinion is that an RGS-RJC alumni is definitely as good as someone who started from RGPS. If you have had an alumni network, you'll know that most people associate more with alumni from the same secondary school, not primary school.

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