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转篇文章吧,大叔能否抽空对下面的文章看法?即对流通性,杠杆,分散投资和market timing的考量?

Stocks versus property. Why I prefer stocks over property.(zt)

Singaporeans love the property market. The fact that it took our government seven anti-speculative measures to dampen Singaporeans' love affair with property since 2007 is evidence that it is very hard to break this strong love. In the meantime, the lack of success is not exactly bad news to the government. They have made 1 billion in tax revenues from the property curbs.

There is substantial anecdotal evidence that more Singaporeans made more money from property than stocks. Just ask and look around. Our parents' generation who dared to invest in property have secured their retirement. It is small wonder the next generation will do the same thing since property investments have worked for decades for so many people.

I have peers who took the plunge and invested a second property 5 years ago. I am sure they are doing quite well. Some have urged me to stop hoarding my money and take a plunge into the property market. Another told me I will never become rich because of my steadfast refusal to take the risk to buy a second property. I probably look stupid to these people. However, I think it is fine to look stupid for good reasons which will be explained here.

In one sentence why I refused to buy an investment property - I cannot control risk with property investments with the same ease as stocks.

Given the very high property prices in Singapore and my own financial resources, I only have enough money to buy 1 property for investment. Only 1. What can be more concentrated than that? The lack of diversification makes it hard to manage risk. With stocks, I can construct a portfolio of 30 stocks with not a single one taking up more than 5% of my net-worth. I can afford to make several mistakes without facing financial ruin. Can the same be said with a concentrated property portfolio consisting of only 1 property? To make matters worse, this single property has to be bought with leverage. How many Singaporeans can buy a property with cash? When an investor uses leverage, his margin of error is greatly reduced. The mortgage debt is usually quite substantial because it can take 20-30 years to repay with today's high property prices. It is quite common to pay 25% cash with the rest using borrowed money to purchase a property. The investor loses 20% when the property drops 5%. Leverage introduces the risk of margin call. Although banks seldom ask borrowers to top up their mortgage loan when property price drops, they are legally allowed to do so. If the borrower misses the interest payment because he loses his job, the bank may foreclose and force-sell his property in a battered-down market at a lousy price. With stocks, there is no need to use leverage. One can build a diversified portfolio with as little as SGD30000 with cash.

Value investors tend to steer clear of bubbles. I do not shun participation in a bubble if the underlying asset is liquid. The end period of a stock bubble is historically characterized by a parabolic rise of stocks in a short time. Being out of the market at this stage means missing out the opportunity to make lots of money in a short time. Thus, I will join in the crowd despite knowing that it is a stock bubble, although only a manageable portion of the net-worth will be inside the market. (Don't try this if you are a newbie in the stock market, particularly if you have yet to suffer gut-wrenching losses) The reason why I dare to join the bubble is that stocks are liquid. The moment danger is sensed, one can get the hell out in a single trading day. This is one of the advantages of being a retail investor with a small fund to manage. It makes risk management much easier. Properties are illiquid with high transaction costs. Unlike an equity investor, there is no way for a property investor to get the hell out even if he desperately wants to because of property's illiquid nature.

If a hired fund manager shows me a portfolio with a highly leveraged, super-concentrated and illiquid portfolio, I will sack him straightaway so that I can sleep better. How to manage risk with a portfolio like that? Middle-class Singaporeans who took on a 20-year mortgage to buy an investment property are doing just that.

Besides the inability to manage risk, there is another good reason to avoid property investments. I hate debt intensely. The only time I overcame this hate was to buy my first residential HDB Singapore flat so that I can marry the love of my life. While this article frowns on property investment, a HDB flat is highly desirable. One motivation foreigners convert to become a Singapore citizen is to have the privilege to buy our HDB flats. Particularly for Singaporeans who have sacrificed for National Service, don't ever miss your privilege to buy a HDB flat. It is almost a sure-win as it is subsidized by the government. Besides, everyone needs a roof over our heads that provides the stability for us to marry and start a family.

Buying an investment property today usually involves taking on a huge debt that requires at least 20 years to repay. This makes a person a financial slave. If the goal of investment is to be financially free, then does it make sense to take on so much debt for an investment that it risk making one a slave for the next 20 years? It is not just money anymore. It is freedom. With a heavy debt, a person has to tolerate bullies at work. It is easy to slip into mental depression if a person has to drag his feet every day to work in an environment that drives him crazy. Although my present workplace is wonderful and I am working with and for pleasant and smarter people at the moment, there is no guarantee that this can continue. The advantage of investing and saving hard is to accumulate enough "fuck-you" money to have the freedom to show the middle finger and quit when faced with unreasonable behavior at work. Buying a second property at this point will take away all the "fuck-you" money that I have painstakingly accumulated over the years.

For high net-worth individuals with enough money to buy up multiple properties with cash, property is an appropriate component in this investment portfolio. It is easier for the rich to manage risk in their property portfolio. For the majority of middle-class Singaporeans like me, I think they should think twice before committing to a highly leveraged, concentrated and illiquid investment that can potentially make a slave out of them for the next 20 years.
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之前看了大叔买房的经历觉得想都不敢想,现在要能有房就不错了 芝麻花生面包   (136 bytes , 278reads )
LS爬楼不认真 AGA   (105 bytes , 266reads )
同意mm!大叔分享经验很好,让別人少钻牛角尖,少走弯路。 vickychen   (73 bytes , 221reads )
哈哈,不是有点酸,是很酸啊 没辙   (0 bytes , 153reads )
来说说读后感而已,绝无冒犯之意,请莫怪 没辙   (0 bytes , 268reads )
思路很有参考意义啊。 田七   (0 bytes , 185reads )
留个爪印。大叔虽然写的不是那么牛气逼人,可取舍之间都彰显智慧。 峨嵋子颖   (0 bytes , 183reads )
今年是在这里买房10周年,回顾一下历史吧(之十,最终回) 大叔一名   (1387 bytes , 2030reads )
佩服LZ有舍有取的思路! AGA   (397 bytes , 259reads )
答案如下 大叔一名   (518 bytes , 274reads )
明白了~谢LZ耐心解释~ AGA   (190 bytes , 244reads )
新政以后,还能再买吗? firestone   (112 bytes , 187reads )
政策一路都在变,没必要去猜 大叔一名   (222 bytes , 239reads )
今年是在这里买房10周年,回顾一下历史吧(之九) 大叔一名   (1547 bytes , 611reads )
期待楼主继续捣腾房子 firestone   (27 bytes , 202reads )
俩condo一House吧~还都NUSnewton等黄金地点~楼主赚钱能力也 西瓜芒果好吃   (22 bytes , 216reads )
投资要凭感觉,有时感觉到了,做什么都顺 tdy   (80 bytes , 216reads )
我不大靠感觉,因为比较烂 大叔一名   (56 bytes , 193reads )
今年是在这里买房10周年,回顾一下历史吧(之八) 大叔一名   (1277 bytes , 574reads )
大叔的孩子去的是哪间分校? niumum   (19 bytes , 187reads )
ACS 有6间学校,很容易混淆 大叔一名   (197 bytes , 317reads )
原来dover那间没有小学,ACSJ和ACSP靠得很近,都在newton交通圈附近 niumum   (41 bytes , 458reads )
精彩,期待第四套房出现 solo_estoy   (0 bytes , 147reads )
今年是在这里买房10周年,回顾一下历史吧(之七) 大叔一名   (1914 bytes , 562reads )
哪个银行可以借90%?我没听过呀。可否告知? seanseans   (0 bytes , 175reads )
那是几年前的事啊,现在已经没有了 大叔一名   (0 bytes , 138reads )
好贴要顶,现身说法有营养,楼主继续 地道中国人   (16 bytes , 199reads )
楼主是同龄人,这样的故事比较亲切 地道中国人   (40 bytes , 236reads )
是啊,握爪 大叔一名   (36 bytes , 194reads )
收藏 Lucille   (4 bytes , 212reads )
今年是在这里买房10周年,回顾一下历史吧(之六) 大叔一名   (992 bytes , 558reads )
终于赶上直播了,急切想知道第三套的经过 firestone   (32 bytes , 226reads )
今年是在这里买房10周年,回顾一下历史吧(之公告) 大叔一名   (849 bytes , 398reads )
机会总是给有准备有头脑的人的。 木鸭子   (0 bytes , 135reads )
其实运气重要,时机重要,但是也要有实力。说白了要是没有实力,机会来了,也无法进场 乒乒乓乓   (0 bytes , 262reads )
同意 大叔一名   (100 bytes , 237reads )
学习了! fionna2012   (183 bytes , 199reads )
好帖子必须留底 一切靠自己   (10 bytes , 230reads )
今年是在这里买房10周年,回顾一下历史吧(之五) 大叔一名   (1050 bytes , 591reads )
顶大叔一下,顺便报下自己的流水账 菠罗包   (1398 bytes , 406reads )
我对国内的房子有戒心 大叔一名   (357 bytes , 303reads )
fionna2012   (163 bytes , 287reads )
和我认为的不谋而合 寒武   (161 bytes , 280reads )
强帖留名。大叔的总结值得借鉴 king   (20 bytes , 175reads )
也来学习一下 留守妈妈   (0 bytes , 195reads )
原来这位大叔这么厉害。学习一下,不过估计现在学也学不来了 jiujiu2222   (352 bytes , 278reads )
上周末大家都疯了 yaya   (383 bytes , 269reads )
对啊,新政出来的第一个周末,我觉得不但没降,房子反而更抢手了 jiujiu2222   (92 bytes , 233reads )
这个绝对疯了…… mgal   (75 bytes , 247reads )
价格超过预期很多有两种可能 大叔一名   (208 bytes , 263reads )
勉强还在负担范围内吧,对于我这种现金不多的人来说 jiujiu2222   (1109 bytes , 215reads )
存在即合理 大叔一名   (762 bytes , 242reads )
隐隐觉得lz说的房子是在tiong baru。。不知道对不对。。那儿的[…] 风起小竹   (21 bytes , 225reads )
买房投资的话一定要稳,价该杀就杀。 hula   (71 bytes , 199reads )
谢谢安慰啊。可能是看别人这么抢大白菜一样买下来,刺激到我了 jiujiu2222   (153 bytes , 190reads )
看你不是买房投资,而是买房自住。。 hula   (260 bytes , 226reads )
受教了,我觉得你说的有道理,我想的太多了。要求也太多了。 jiujiu2222   (0 bytes , 158reads )
记得楼主提过在ACS旁边有套房子,是这个townhouse吗? wen_1982   (0 bytes , 247reads )
不是 大叔一名   (0 bytes , 183reads )
特来膜拜成功人士! -_-||   (0 bytes , 273reads )
我只觉得运气还不错 大叔一名   (182 bytes , 251reads )
今年是在这里买房10周年,回顾一下历史吧(之四) 大叔一名   (1723 bytes , 616reads )
哇xmjdh啊,这房子现在翻番都不止了吧,早结婚是王道啊~ 西瓜芒果好吃   (38 bytes , 184reads )
大叔真牛,组屋的底和私宅的底都被你抄到啦! solo_estoy   (97 bytes , 228reads )
看到这张图想起一个在心中盘桓多年的问题 AGA   (351 bytes , 264reads )
98年4季度为基点 solo_estoy   (345 bytes , 243reads )
正中疑团要点的科普资料 AGA   (22 bytes , 215reads )
谁说这个指数100才合理啊? 大叔一名   (90 bytes , 200reads )
天啊,原来被蒙了这么久~ AGA   (24 bytes , 232reads )
膜拜成功人士。 -_-||   (0 bytes , 217reads )
哈哈 AGA   (53 bytes , 243reads )
我歇菜了。你们继续。 -_-||   (0 bytes , 187reads )
不懂诶 AGA   (28 bytes , 179reads )
第一次赶上直播贴!鸡冻! mgal   (357 bytes , 173reads )
这个也太幸福了,羡慕ing yaya   (0 bytes , 228reads )
支持这种基于事实有启发性的贴子 逃课专家   (52 bytes , 238reads )
好贴,顶~~~~~ 江南style   (0 bytes , 290reads )
今年是在这里买房10周年,回顾一下历史吧(之三) 大叔一名   (1085 bytes , 614reads )
这一段强推,太有教育意义了 小叶女贞   (0 bytes , 103reads )
谢谢大叔举例分析总结的详细分享 AGA   (64 bytes , 165reads )
+1.马克一下。 micomama   (14 bytes , 193reads )
顶楼主,学习经验! hail99   (0 bytes , 175reads )
喜欢听大叔娓娓道来。 vickychen   (14 bytes , 190reads )
大叔兄弟言谈,见识和坦诚实在令兄弟佩服,当推本坛之首 乐与悲   (0 bytes , 169reads )
顶。顶。顶。 兔巴哥   (0 bytes , 207reads )
好贴 小诺   (31 bytes , 234reads )
赞,最喜欢这样的好帖!大叔继续写啊! ggyt   (0 bytes , 178reads )
顶大叔一下,身边的经验最值得参考学习了,希望继续分享。 田七   (0 bytes , 169reads )
今年是在这里买房10周年,回顾一下历史吧(之二) 大叔一名   (1054 bytes , 633reads )
再回顾到这个,觉得很痛心,我的买房经历基本上就是大叔的反例 凡人   (1957 bytes , 147reads )
买房这事会上瘾的 +1 haidaoyu   (107 bytes , 179reads )
欣赏lz的“努力工作,不断提升负担能力是王道”。 sweetypig   (57 bytes , 134reads )
很同意大叔最后一句总结 Conniesisu   (365 bytes , 232reads )
赞楼主!好评! mgal   (758 bytes , 191reads )
不错,人的贪欲是无止境的 灵山   (10 bytes , 227reads )