俺在坡县当过兵的,觉得不能因噎废食
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作者:chenopod (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:247) 发表:2018-11-05 12:29:46  楼主  关注此帖
whywould I sacrifce my life for a government who can’t even protect its own people? And for what is worth, a soldier will never do it for certain government, he did for his homeland where his parents, wife and children are. I can shed my sweat and blood in the battle for fighting against enemies, but it is a shame on a nation who can’t protect its protectors before the battle.
俺在坡县当过兵的,觉得不能因噎废食
我自己的感受,军队对士兵的安全非常用心,各种措施,包括精确的气温监控,阳光树荫,各种降温措施,体温汇报,防脱水,伙伴互相照顾系统等等,层层保护,保证最大限度减少意外。
虽然我没有数据,但是我感觉,坡县当兵出事的概率(事故率/万人)应该低于类似年龄段的男生上大学出事的概率。
不能因噎废食。
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作者:chenopod (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:247) 发表:2018-11-05 17:06:44  2楼
来些数据
对比 大家熟悉的NUS,和SAF
NUS 有学生总数约3万 ( http://www.nus.edu.sg/registrar/statistics.html )
SAF有人 7万多( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_Armed_Forces

Google search "singapore nus student death", 第一页有5个不同案例造成的新闻报导,初步看来都是18年
https://www.google.com.sg/search?rlz=1C1NHXL_enSG696SG767&ei=7wLgW9-CJ8vivASarZDoAg&q=singapore+nus+student+death&oq=singapore+nus+student+death&gs_l=psy-ab.3...672914.673559.0.674171.4.4.0.0.0.0.102.275.3j1.4.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.100...35i39k1j0i8i30k1.0.99C6CAMePN8

NUS student died trying to get back into her seventh-storey room ... 5月
Car accident in Iceland: Singaporean who died an NUS medical ...4月
NUS bio student dies after playing computer games overnight, Health ...时间不明
NUS student killed in Clementi accident had written profound . 4月
Duke-NUS doctorate student found dead in lab at Biopolis - Channel ...1月

SAF的记录 18年3例
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Singapore_NSmen_who_died_in_training

30 April 2018 - Corporal First Class (CFC) Lee Han Xuan Dave, 19, a Guardsman from the 1st Battalion Singapore Guards, was found to display signs of heat injury at about 0835hrs on 18 Apr 2018 after he had just completed an 8km fast march at Bedok Camp. Lee was evacuated to the camp's medical centre and subsequently transferred to Changi General Hospital, where he was warded in the Intensive Care Unit. Lee's condition worsened during the hospitalisation and he was pronounced dead at 1732hrs on 30 Apr 2018.[13] The Singapore Police Force will be charging an officer in criminal court for causing CFC Dave's death by a rash act, under Section 304A(a) of the Penal Code, and referred six other SAF servicemen to MINDEF for investigations for potential breaches of military law. [14][15]
13 May 2018 - Corporal (CPL) Kok Yuen Chin, a Singapore Civil Defence Force (SCDF) Full-Time National Serviceman from Tuas View Fire Station, was found unconscious at the bottom of the fire station’s pump well. CPL Kok had been celebrating his impending ORD with his squad mates, and one of the activities involved throwing him into the pump well. CPL Kok did not resurface. CPL Kok was eventually pulled out from the well after the water had been drained. CPL Kok was then conveyed by ambulance to Ng Teng Fong General Hospital. CPL Kok was pronounced dead at the hospital.[16][17] An SCDF officer was jailed for causing CPL Kok's death by instigating the ORD ritual and for abetting the obstruction of justice by asking for footage of the incident to be deleted from a colleague's phone. Four other officers have also been charged over CPL Kok's death.[1]
3 November 2018 - PTE Liu Kai, 22, a transport operator from the SAF’s Transport Hub West, was killed when a Bionix vehicle reversed into his Land Rover during a training exercise at Jalan Murai. Following the incident, it was reported that the army declared an army-wide safety timeout on training to ensure that all appropriate safety measures were in place. It was also reported that PTE Liu Kai would be posthumously accorded with the rank of Corporal First Class (CFC) [18]

至少单看18年,NUS记录5/3万,大于SAF的3/7万。
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作者:chenopod (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:247) 发表:2018-11-05 17:09:15  3楼
这个感觉不符合常理,但是基本是事实
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作者:chenopod (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:247) 发表:2018-11-05 22:24:55  4楼
18年怎么可能3例fb上有人统计,随便扫了下数字
给个数字,给个链接吧
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作者:chenopod (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:247) 发表:2018-11-05 22:59:03  5楼
大家都不在讨论一个点我也不每个回复了。你这一层的第一句我是赞成的,官员要回复怎么改进,为什么会发生、而不是回复“我们管不着。。你自己sign up, you know the risk.” 我的论点跟PR什么服兵役什么没关。。。我的论点是怎么才更好的处理这种问题,我相信新加坡NS的管理几十年也是一直在进步的,我也相信有的进步就是建立在某些个人的牺牲和群体的愤怒和抱怨之上的。因为我在某个行业工作,太多人工伤,要看公司怎么处理这些问题,你可以对员工家属说,“there is nothing we can do because he signed up for the job, he knew the risks, but he didnt follow one procedure . and that was the cause.” 公司也可以反思一下, are there any other ways to make it safer at reasonable cost? Can we design away the problem? Can we help the workers follow the right procedure? Can we have more preventive measures?我是从运营公司的角度想怎么运营小国家,对于这个NS的安全隐患管理,我很想知道新加坡的管理文化体制处于哪个阶段。 (more...)
单就安全来说,坡军水平非常高
理论上讲,全部十八九岁男孩都得服役,那就意味着队伍里
有体弱多病的,有身体极度强壮的,
有头脑不太灵光的,有头脑非常好使的
有违法记录的,
再加上十八九岁青春期,这群人就是放在图书馆,咖啡店他们都能印出来不定啥事故,基本上啥事都能发生。
最后看报道,实际发生的事故不多,军队对这些人的安全管理,还是相当不错。
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作者:chenopod (等级:2 - 初出茅庐,发帖:247) 发表:2018-11-05 23:29:34  6楼
想起一个段子,以为国内才有,没想到啊,坡也有自带干粮的老王报考新加坡国防部新闻发言人的岗位,我们看看他的能力展示: 考官:听说你在家打老婆孩子? 老王:他们以前连饭都吃不饱,现在生活条件已经改善了很多。 考官:我是问你打过他们吗? 老王:我们家的发展成就是全村人有目共睹的。 考官:我没问你那些,我就问你打老婆孩子了吗? 老王:如果我打老婆,我们家怎么能取得这样的发展呢? 考官:这好像没有什么联系。 老王:老刘家打老婆孩子你怎么不问? 考官:我问的是你,在家打老婆孩子吗? 老王:你们家历史上没有打过吗?据我调查你太爷爷一百多年前打过老婆。 考官:我现在问的是你,打老婆孩子了吗? 老王:我已经把不打老婆孩子写进了家规。 考官:那你按照家规去做了吗? 老王:家规是我们家的内政,别人无权干涉。 考官:你到底打老婆孩子了吗? 老王:我谴责打老婆孩子的行为! 考官:我就问你打老婆孩子了吗? 老王:你提这种问题是不负责任的。你去过我们家吗?我邀请你去我家做客,亲眼看一看。 考官:我就问你打老婆孩子了没? 老王:我可以告诉你,最了解我们夫妻关系的人不是你,是我和我的家人。我有发言权,你没有。 考官:你到底打没打过? 老王:你的这个问题充满了对我家 (more...)
哎,总有人喜欢乱贴标签扣帽子
读了这么多年书,就事论事,很难吗?
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