八强赛是按章程经过组委会集体研究决定的，是公平的。吕大侠也是本届象总理事会成员，肯定也知道八强赛是按章程经过组委会集体研究决定的，是公平的。
对于参加报名的40位男子棋手来说，事实上是一个也不能少，少一个人报名就不会有本次精彩的比赛，就不会见证少帅廖铭濠直取7连胜，不会见到榴莲兄弟精湛的捡榴莲棋艺双双进入八强，不会目睹最后一轮前八台的超惊险刺激的决战（近年来罕见），也不会见到陈靖麟拼搏到底，永不放弃的精神，末战奋战3个半小时最终恨别八强。
所以在享受精彩比赛的同时，我们也需有一颗平常心来看待忙碌的棋手有时无法分身的处境（国大杯团体赛赛事冲突，婚礼，工作，商务出国），毕竟我们没有一人是职业棋手。我这次也是因为公务缠身，周末去中国商务办事，申请表，机票，都已早早出具，不可能去得罪给自己饭碗的老板。当然本次比赛我原本没有料到能超水平发挥，打的这么好，毕竟我没有准备，求胜心不强，实力在B组只是中游。
再谈胡伟良，其实我对胡伟良是心服口服的。在今年8月全国团体赛上已经提前上演了八强战，一样的时间（60分钟每步加30秒），我拼尽全力，大战3小时，仍然先手不敌胡伟良。胡伟良在团体赛上还击败了一刀n断，而后大战特级大师吴宗翰，最终只是马炮棋才败北。可以说胡伟良早已具备了乙级的实力，赢卷心菜应当不在话下。
当然，我相信经过组委会集体研究决定出台本届比赛的八强规则后，也会吸取经验，也肯定会参照吕大侠网上提出的各种宝贵意见，明年出台更加完善的章程，使得比赛更加公平，精彩。
现在，既然赛制已经定了不改了，就让我们把精力放到关注本周末八强赛，半决赛，决赛的强强对决吧。[卷心菜 (12-17 12:45, Long long ago)]
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(引用 碧山:I have called SIXGA on this matter ......
I have called SIXGA on 八强三轮简易双败淘汰制, even if SIXGA agrees to implement, all...)For a player in the TOP8, ...it maybe overwhelming. Changing a system midway don't seems fair to them. Maybe we should be looking at simplier alternatives. Having all 7 players 100% willingly agree is not easy tasks.
I think in this case, to proceed, the procedure for getting agreement should be robust. Preferably they are informed today so that they have the chance to think through. Also, in the event of one objection what is the alternative. We must respect their decision without pressuring them. All these should be made along with the reasons for the suggestion for this improvement. At all times, the professionalism, fairness and neutrality of the organiser has to be maintained.
quick thoughts
------kurubear[kurubear (12-17 12:51, Long long ago)]
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(引用 卷心菜:八强赛是按章程经过组委会集体研究决定的，是公平的。吕大侠也是本届象总理事会成员，肯定也知道八强赛是按章程经过组委会集体研究决定的...)A balanced view, .......
in fact, 胡伟良 absent from Round 1, i.e. he managed to get 5 major points out of 6 rounds from Rounds 2 to 7.[碧山 (12-17 12:53, Long long ago)]
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(引用 kurubear:For a player in the TOP8, ...it maybe overwhelming. Changing a system midway don't seems fair to them. Maybe we should be lookin...)you are going back to point no.1 ....
if SIXGA agrees .....
we shall stop here.
Anyway, I prefer to give suggestions to SIXGA directly, the discussions here as forum just for sharing views.[碧山 (12-17 12:58, Long long ago)]
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(引用 碧山:you are going back to point no.1 .... if SIXGA agrees ..... we shall stop here. Anyway, I prefer to give suggestions to SIXGA ...)Agree (NM)[kurubear (12-17 13:02, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]285楼
(引用 碧山:you are going back to point no.1 ....
if SIXGA agrees .....
we shall stop here.
Anyway, I prefer to give suggestions to SIXGA ...)Just remind...the organiser to propose to the players in a professional way and have their written agreement. We don't want any ugly disputes later.
---kurubear [kurubear (12-17 13:08, Long long ago)]
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(引用 碧山:I have called SIXGA on this matter ...... I have called SIXGA on 八强三轮简易双败淘汰制, even if SIXGA agrees to implement, all...)Thank You 碧山 for time/effort to improve the event (NM)[kurubear (12-17 13:10, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]287楼
(引用 碧山:No lah, you suggested 简易8强双败4轮淘汰制 ........
No lah, you suggested 简易8强双败4轮淘汰制 but I saw example in China Compet...)重要更正：我今天忙晕了，是碧山兄今天首次提出八强三轮双败淘汰制重要更正：我今天忙晕了，是碧山兄今天首次提出八强三轮双败淘汰制。
我今年6月提出的是八强四轮双败淘汰制。
个人认为八强三轮双败仍有缺陷，国际上不一定认同第4第5位置互换。而八强四轮双败的最主要缺陷是需最后一个星期日赛两轮。
现在我简要解释一下：
方案一：八强三轮双败淘汰制
提出人：碧山
关键点：赛制跟目前八强直接淘汰赛一摸一样，只是第4和第5名交换位置，理由是现在第4名是1胜2负，而第5名是1负2胜。
方案二：八强四轮双败淘汰制
提出人：卷心菜
赛制：前三轮跟国际惯例相同，在第四轮作出改进，决定所有名次。
下面介绍所有4轮详细情况
第一轮：8支队伍两两对垒，结束后，4支进入胜者1组，4支进入败者1组。
第二轮：胜者组4支两两对垒，获胜的2支进入胜者2组（并升为乙级），落败的2支进入中间组。（胜者2组就是第1，第2名）
败者1组4支两两对垒，获胜的2支进入中间组，落败的2支队伍淘进入败者2组。（败者2组就是第7，第8名）
第三轮：胜者2组和败者2组的四支队伍休息。
中间组4支队伍两两对垒，获胜的两支进入3，4名争夺战（并升为乙级），落败的两支进入5，6名争夺战
至此，三轮过后，晋升乙级的4名选手全部产生。
第四轮：
胜者2组的2支队伍交锋;胜者冠军，负者为亚军。
进入3，4名争夺战的2支队伍交锋；胜者第3，负者第4.
进入5，6名争夺战的2支队伍交锋；胜者第5，负者第6.
败者2组的2支队伍交锋；胜者为第7，负者为第8。
至此，四轮比赛结束后，前8名座次全部决出。
总结：有4名棋手下了3轮，另外4名棋手下了4轮。
所以4轮比赛仍然需要最后一个星期天比赛2轮。[卷心菜 (12-17 13:13, Long long ago)]
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(引用 吕大侠:PRACTICE WISELY & EARNESTLY WITH PROMISING OPENING FORMATION NOT KUNDU ONES.)KUNDU= what meaning? (NM)[kurubear (12-17 13:13, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]289楼
(引用 kurubear:BTW, this walkover is for 1 or 3 days of the event? (NM))its 7+2 right so must be 2 FULL DAYS OF WALKOVER FOR TWO PLAYERS IF I'M RIGHT..[吕大侠 (12-17 13:14, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]290楼
(引用 卷心菜:重要更正：我今天忙晕了，是碧山兄今天首次提出八强三轮双败淘汰制重要更正：我今天忙晕了，是碧山兄今天首次提出八强三轮双败淘汰制。
�...)I think you focus on work this weekend 1st...Such complicated things we go into details after you back from business trip. Will take days at least.
Have a safe trip!
---kurubear[kurubear (12-17 13:17, Long long ago)]
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Hope, none was offended when i share my views on the walkover get B grade issue.[吕大侠 (12-17 13:20, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]292楼
(引用 吕大侠:Hope, none was offended when i share my views on the walkover get B grade issue.)Juz curious, let's VOTE, who agree to walkover get B grade? say i agree..thx[吕大侠 (12-17 13:24, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]293楼
(引用 吕大侠:its 7+2 right so must be 2 FULL DAYS OF WALKOVER FOR TWO PLAYERS IF I'M RIGHT..)I not sure also...I saw many 7+3 format discussion. I think nobody knows what is happening except Fri Round 8 there is one walkover. Maybe must wait for tomorrow to have clearer picture. I getting confused all the discussions so far is about that match or the Round8/9/10 matches.
----kurubear[kurubear (12-17 13:24, Long long ago)]
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(引用 卷心菜:重要更正：我今天忙晕了，是碧山兄今天首次提出八强三轮双败淘汰制重要更正：我今天忙晕了，是碧山兄今天首次提出八强三轮双败淘汰制。
�...)No lah, I did not propose the method but I read somewhere but .....
No lah, I did not propose the method but I read somewhere (a competition in China) but could not recall the article. Recently saw this method in one of Malaysia events. [碧山 (12-17 13:25, Long long ago)]
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(引用 吕大侠:Juz curious, let's VOTE, who agree to walkover get B grade? say i agree..thx)i agree? (i'm juz replying to myself because i believe no one will agree..)[吕大侠 (12-17 13:27, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]296楼
(引用 碧山:No lah, I did not propose the method but I read somewhere but .....
No lah, I did not propose the method but I read somewhere (a...)Maybe we should store the key ideas...on the various key topics somewhere so we dun waste time hunting it down if we want to follow up.
--kurubear[kurubear (12-17 13:28, Long long ago)]
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(引用 吕大侠:Juz curious, let's VOTE, who agree to walkover get B grade? say i agree..thx)If I am the player, I have no violent objection...to get Grade B through walkover because I am not at fault here. Maybe is my good luck :-) I rather just focus on the next 2 games and aim for the top prize to buy an I-phone, that's all.
If I am a dominant champion material, then maybe I will be angry because one less victim to display my fantastic skills :-)
----kurubear[kurubear (12-17 13:37, Long long ago)]
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(引用 卷心菜:八强赛是按章程经过组委会集体研究决定的，是公平的。吕大侠也是本届象总理事会成员，肯定也知道八强赛是按章程经过组委会集体研究决定的...)Having a valid, non-intentional reason is good enough but...thinking you will lose to your enemy this Fri is not. Past games not equal Friday game. Unless u make the same moves and mistakes with him.There must be some areas you need to improve or change to improve the odds with him. Just looking at the end results alone would let us miss out the keys to our potentially fast improvement.
My mentor say unless obvious or when your enemy has won the game, the result in still uncertain, so don't declare yourself as the loser first.
:-)
---kurubear[kurubear (12-17 13:53, Long long ago)]
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(引用 kurubear:If I am the player, I have no violent objection...to get Grade B through walkover because I am not at fault here. Maybe is my go...)I agree (NM)[kurubear (12-17 13:58, Long long ago)] [ 传统版 | sForum ][登录后回复]300楼